Why are LCPR threads being locked?
 

This is a public forum, people have the right to talk about a subject even if some of the member's don't like it.

People can chose to read a thread or not. Never seen such Elementary fights over deleting threads so people can’t read things posted on the internet. Then they actually get locked for no reason.


Its a shame that the 2 where killed in a boating accident this weekend, I feel for both the families as well.


But when did big brother join the forum and become a mod? Its a topic people on here want to discuss, AND THIS IS THE PLACE FOR THAT and yet it they keep being locked down. Deal with it people, when something happens people talk. How the world works.

If you slung your car sideways showing off, and lost it and hit a pole, the people watching will talk. Same when you take a 1/2 million dollar boat and flip it, the boating community is going to talk, but big brother is all upset deleting threads. seems ridiculous.


SO will a mod please answer WHY they lock and delete what rules are broken?

That's the government that the pathetic people in this country have elected. Makes me sick that they stick their nose in every little thing imaginable..

So what part exactly is the reason? I can read the rule, and understand forums. But to me it seams like the mods are shutting things down just cause you dont like the topic. but its probably one of the most important topics on OSO at this time.

Respect!

The last thread was locked at the request of the THREAD STARTER. Normal policy.

Really? A NATIONAL OFF SHORE BOATING FORUM is expected to not talk about a baller cat flipping at 150mph (give or take) at one of the largest poker runs of the year? You really think so?

The media is already messed up, you would think a public form could at least speak its mind.

Then there is videos of the SAME boat doing stuff thats OBVIOUSLY not safe, and its taboo to talk about? really? its a FACT the video show it! then people jump in there saying its OK you dont know what caused him to be that close. UM true but i know when something happends you can always let out of the gas.... but not going into that.


fact is why is the forum being edited like a CNN headline.

Ok, thank you for posting up the reason I appreciate it.

I am the thread starter, and welcome the topic. Its the internet, free and clear. I understand that we can be respectful about the topic, and hope other posters will be, but the locking and deleting of threads over a subject matter that is 100% SPOT ON for the forum is ridiculous.

Thank You!!!!

memberships allow you to use certain features of the site; they do not give you the right to say whatever you want

Also, if you read...neither of the members who started the closed threads liked where the threads had gone.
The threads became disrepectful to the families and the memories of two men who lost their lives.

Griff I agree with a lot of what you say but I saw no disrespect to the families. Yes we have video evidence the boats weren't always operated in a safe manner but that isn't disrespectful. No name calling.

Just discussing facts. The majority seem to be on the same page of it not being a closed race course and having the sense to pull the throttles back which doesn't seem to be the norm based on videos.

Healing time duration from the accident and tact. Your statements are true but keep in mind these families need time to grieve and heal. So tact is in order. OSO positive threads expressing support is all that is need now. It's only been 4-days since the accident and they don't need to add rage to their pain. They have memorial services to plan and life after loss to figure out. I met these guys for the first time Friday afternoon when they brought their boat in and parked behind me. I just talked with them briefly and I could tell they were top notch people. After reviewing all the support It's obvious I am correct. I was behind them in the second group when I came up on the accident just past Ramsey Point. My heart sank and I've felt like crap since. Let the families and friends heal.. There will be plenty of time to analyze the crash. JMO

those guys were running insane speeds just a few yards from other boats... did you feel sad for evil kenivel when he crashed jumping the fountain at ceasars palace?

Nope he was getting paid a fortune. Lets analyze later. For respect

Someone let me know when I can post my ideas about publicly shaming the maniac drivers caught on vdeo.

Dude u r an idiot! Go ahead and save your anger and energy for next week if your still mad at the world and u can express your opinion all day long if others on here really wanna hear your heartless thoughts!

Do you have ANY friends......small minds have small thoughts . THINK

If you have ideas that might improve safety of the poker runs........bring it to this thread HERE

While I agree, respect for those who suffered recent losses is a must it would be in those family members best interest to stay away from the Forums, Local News & Media in general. I work w/ some of the most popular & successful drivers in NASCAR & if you ask them good bad or indifferent they do their best to avoid reading & or following stories about themselves. They maybe high paid, successful superstars but they are also human w/ real feelings regardless of their success.

The families have way more important things to tend to than to worry about each & everyone of our opinions. They know there loved ones better than any of us could have so they need not worry about what everyone else thinks. I didn't know either gentleman but it appears they were both very well respected & liked within the boating community. Many kind things have been said about each of them as well as respects paid by those who have never met them. Those that are close to their loved ones can summarize the many great posts that have been made on their behalf throughout the Forums in various threads w/o the families themselves having to manage their feelings sifting thru the positive & negative posts.

Just my $02

That discussion was eliciting some very good thoughts, from both sides.
Some good questions were asked, and just about enough video shown to begin to understand the situation.
Maybe the understanding of what happened is what no one really wants to admit.
The discussion will just move over somewhere.
Won't be able to close them all!
That is the internet.

No one said it was shut down , matter of fact it was said give it a rest for a couple of days . Differences aside were like an extended family here in a way & to help each other out . So consider the family's & children of our extended family here including yourself . Perhaps discussing a topic isn't really that important at this time of loss & OSO is a class act for reminding us of what is important at this time .

mittens, put yourself in the position of the families of the 2 deceased.

This forum is headed to an end just like the others. That is what will happen when you start down the path of telling members what they can talk about.....

After all whats a forum without members that will post...


As for the driving in those videos... Anyone ever stop to think what would have happened if a little one was swimming by the anchored boats when these guys decided to rip by at 100mph & 10' away?? Or is that ok to do when your an accepted social member on here?

I don't think anyone here is "telling" anyone what or who they can talk about. Heaven forbid anything happens to ANY of our loved ones, but the last thing I or YOU or anyone else needs to hear during the grieving process is a community vilifying those who passed. There will be plenty of time to discuss facts, for now RESPECT for those who have LOST LOVE ONES is requested. Pretty simple.

Do you really think that those families are sitting at the computer reading boating forums right now? How about the thread about selling memorial Smith Power decals and T-shirts. That seems pretty tacky. These families are well off and will probably collect on very generous life insurance policies. If you have stupid money then how about sending it to the middle class father who lost his two daughters in a tubing accident on Sylvan Lake, Michigan.....

Yes, many! They also have a strong sense pf personal accountability.

Im not mad at the world, guy. Being Direct does not make me an idiot, It appears to make you uncomfortable.

Im taking myself out of this conversation. Because I clearly cant figure out whats wrong with calling some people out on stupid decisions, that you have CLEAR evidence of (Video)? You dont need to ki$$ everyones a$$ all the time, if some one messes up, tell them that isnt acceptable - have a spine!

There has always been a double standard on this and other forums for the behavior of those we perceive as "celebrities" in our particular hobby/sport. Definitely not right, but that is what it is.

Offshoreonly deleted a copy of an articleposted from the largest news organization in the US, the Associated press,.
The article defined the lake Cumberland Poker Run as a boat race. The purpose of the post was to make those in the high performance boating community aware of the media.
The following 2 news articles state the sheriff has ruled excessive speed and driver error.

HomeRecent NewsBlogsDealer OutlookA View From HereColumnsArchivesCalendar of EventsSubscribeSubscribe to Trade OnlyRenew Trade OnlyDigital EditionSubscribe to Daily E-newsletterSubscribe to Soundings MagazineChange of AddressContact UsAdvertiseHomeClassifiedsJob BoardTwo killed in boat crash during poker run
Posted on 11 September 2013 ShareThis Investigators believe excessive speed was a factor in the deaths of two Missouri men whose boat crashed during the annual Lake Cumberland Poker Run last weekend in Kentucky.

Jeffrey T. Asbell, 47, and Bradley D. Smith, 39, both of Joplin, were ejected from the boat. An official with the Kentucky Fish and Wildlife Department told local reporters that the boat was moving faster than 100 mph at the time of the crash, KY3-TV in Springfield, Mo., reported.

Wayne County (Ky.) Coroner Forrest Hicks told The Joplin Globe that emergency responders went to the lake Saturday morning after receiving word that a boat had flipped over near the Tom’s Creek area.

Asbell and Smith were brought to the boat ramp at Camp Earl Wallace, where they were pronounced dead shortly before noon. Hicks said Asbell “suffered serious blunt force trauma to his head and Smith experienced serious blunt force trauma to his abdomen and lower extremities.”

Asbell and Smith were participating in the poker run, which says on its website that it attracts 150 of the country’s “meanest and fastest powerboats.”

WAYNE COUNTY, Ky. (WKYT) - Investigators say driver error is what caused an accident that killed two boaters Saturday morning on Lake Cumberland.

The boaters were taking part in the Lake Cumberland Poker Run which on its website claims to combine "the raw fury of over 150 of the country’s meanest and fastest powerboats with the fun and energy of Mardi Gras."

"Boats do travel at pretty high speeds, a lot of high-performance vessels, fast boats," Sgt. Wayne Glover with Kentucky Fish and Wildlife told WKYT's Sean Evans. Glover believes the boat the men were in was going in excess of 100 miles per hour and speed was a factor in the crash.

The men's boat flipped near Ramsey Point on what is meant to be a fun weekend for speedboat enthusiasts who put their boats horsepower to the test.

Organizers say the Lake Cumberland Poker Run is one of the largest events of its kind in the country.

Event organizers add the lake was clear and spectators were keeping a safe distance from the speedboats while they were traveling through the area.

Poker run officials say the weekend's events will go on as scheduled.

Right on.

Can everyone dial down the testosterone please. Good points have been made, bad comments have been shared.

For the next 1-2 weeks, perhaps sticking with a generic discussion about PR safety while leaving out anything related to this incident is a good idea. We can get constructive, beneficial results from the dialogue if everyne would exercise some restraint and respect.

There's a horrifying concept I hadn't thought of. The media would absolutely crucify the go-fast industry if that happened.

Mittens is 100% correct.

There is a marked difference between monitoring and censorship.

There were no disrespectful comments made towards the deceased.

Monitoring is supposed to be for the benefit of the community here.

Very very clearly by the view count the threads closed were being read by everyone on here.

I haven't seen #s online here like that in months.

This business of the thread starter taking his ball and going home is stupid.

The thread starter alludes to looking for mechanical methods of securing safety with a title that includes BLAME GAME.
He doesn't participate much in the conversation which follows his ten year trend with 350 posts of being quiet but gets to get the thread closed.
That's wrong

After a few thousand views and hundreds of posts the ownership of these topics is the community's not someone that doesn't like what they are reading.

Some on here want to use the words Have Respect.

That term goes both ways and disrespecting the people that have thoughts and opinions about probably the absolute most important subject our hobby faces is as bad as disrespecting the deceased.

The topic needs discussion now and on here.

It was brought up in the deleted thread and I got a PM from a "player" that took exception to it, somehow defending a blow-by of anchored boats without stating why other than he had videos to prove otherwise. In the absence of information, people will draw conclusions, some right, some wrong, but until otherwise proven it will generate discussion, some heated because of the potential ramifications.

Brad's wife Krissy is reading the accident threads on OSO. She is all for the memorial decals which are being donated for free by Gino. Donations are welcome to the Bradley Smith Childrens Trust fund, but not required, to obtain a memorial sticker

Seems a lot of people got PMs from someone on one side of this conversation.

Which is ridiculous. IF you line was abut to closed off, and you option means going buy people like that, SHUT DOWN..... its that simple. would you maybe still have to cut close? sure, but at least if your coasting, and trying to stop your not a complete dick, and careless boater. you where trying to do the right thing......


As for the people complaining abotu threads and wait a week or 2? WTF then everyone wont care and the threads wont have the amount of ideas, and energy at that point. The Family's reading them? WTF again I would think they have better things to do then read a forum there husbands use to post on, when they just lost there Husband and father to there kids. But if they so chose to, then that's on them. not our jobs to cover up the facts. She going to try and have the fly buy video of her hubby taken off you-tube too? we live in a digital media age, you do something (let alone do something at a event with this kind of coverage) and it will be caught on film

the Stickers and donations? I agree its pretty tasteless in my opinion.
So respect? sure I agree. Probably should not be name calling them, but talking about issues and being edited and closed is BS> this Forums CENSORSHIP is what pissing me off.

Marc's thread that was started in 2008 has 23000 views

The Blame Game thread stayed up for 1 day

It has 29000 views

And it was closed.

Can you imagine that ??

And all those view numbers includng the orig al thread are from 5 full days timeframe. Yet the 9/11 thread has less than 1/2 the views and is now 12 yrs old. We are a fugged up bunch of people

Exactly, its the time is now, not later, and to be deleted is a BIG shame on the OSO forum.

I would argue that we have a much lower number of members 12 years ago.

I wouldn't argue with this statement. In fact, we really shouldn't be passing judgment on the drivers at all. Conversations will never rule out the concept of driver/operator error. It will help bring awareness so that operators will possibly exercise better judgment.

These conversations that start up just after an incident are most constructive when they focus on what can be done to avoid future incidents. My heart goes out to the deceaseds' families. Yet our love of this sport mandates that we have a healthy discussion and learn how to reduce future chances of repeat incidents.