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Schweeng 04-30-2014 06:12 PM

DCB's... why ya all selling??
 
haha - in the "current listings" for boats - right now there are 5 DCB's listed..... what gives?

Nate5.0 04-30-2014 06:31 PM

5 whole boats.....my lord, that's like everyone ever built.

Lord please......don't go looking at fountain totals now.....don't want you to faint.

Gladhe8er 04-30-2014 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by Nate5.0 (Post 4115054)
5 whole boats.....my lord, that's like everyone ever built.

Lord please......don't go looking at fountain totals now.....don't want you to faint.

+1

rfgonzo 04-30-2014 09:08 PM

DCB makes boat? No way:lolhit:

JRider 04-30-2014 09:18 PM

They are buying SKATERS

Schweeng 04-30-2014 10:42 PM

5 new or revised today.... Don't care about total for sale. Thought it was interesting...


Originally Posted by Nate5.0 (Post 4115054)
5 whole boats.....my lord, that's like everyone ever built.

Lord please......don't go looking at fountain totals now.....don't want you to faint.


precisiondetails 04-30-2014 10:56 PM

After being at Desert Storm, I thought they had become a clothing company! Haha

Nate5.0 05-01-2014 06:37 AM


Originally Posted by Schweeng (Post 4115221)
5 new or revised today.... Don't care about total for sale. Thought it was interesting...

Desert storm is over.

People prob wanted to have their boats there to use or been seen and now its done so the sale process start.

Seems normal like actions to me.

Don Johnson 05-01-2014 08:31 AM

I know of 3 DCB's that recently sold for pretty high $'s, used price on DCB's has gone up in the last year substaintially for nicely cared for and outfitted boats..

wrinkleface 05-01-2014 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by JRider (Post 4115162)
They are buying SKATERS

Yeah, help Michigan out!!!!:evilb:

NASCAT 05-01-2014 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by Don Johnson (Post 4115364)
I know of 3 DCB's that recently sold for pretty high $'s, used price on DCB's has gone up in the last year substantially for nicely cared for and outfitted boats..

Really??? I thought they've been in the toilet ever since Dave started producing the M series boats regardless of the high price tag in comparison to a used F.

Don Johnson 05-01-2014 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4115474)
Really??? I thought they've been in the toilet ever since Dave started producing the M series boats regardless of the high price tag in comparison to a used F.

Nope, the F series is still in demand with some that don't like how difficult a full windshield boat is to get on and off when beaching....

Last 30 days of action;

2008 F32 with 700's/NXT just sold for $229k
2008 F32 with Teague 1335's/6 drives just sold for $279k
2008 F32 with Teague 1,100's/ 6 drives just sold for $272k

NASCAT 05-01-2014 11:41 AM

I'm not questioning the demand just the retention of value. Boats being in demand & or selling does not necessarily have any correlation to high resale value. In fact in most cases high volume of a particular item means a great deal for the buyer not necessarily the seller.

In order for your statement to hold water I think you'd have to post the price the 1st owner paid for ea DCB new originally which I assume isn't readily available.

That would give one an accurate accounting of what 6y/o DCB's are selling for. I don't really know any other way you could substantiate the claim b/c everything else is just subjective.

Just my $.02.

WTDecker 05-01-2014 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4115474)
Really??? I thought they've been in the toilet ever since Dave started producing the M series boats regardless of the high price tag in comparison to a used F.

Not even close,,,, they are still selling and building!

precisiondetails 05-01-2014 12:40 PM

I don't think they have built any new F boats, if so very few. Only one I know of was the 29 with single 1350 two years ago

Don Johnson 05-01-2014 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4115488)
I'm not questioning the demand just the retention of value. Boats being in demand & or selling does not necessarily have any correlation to high resale value. In fact in most cases high volume of a particular item means a great deal for the buyer not necessarily the seller.

In order for your statement to hold water I think you'd have to post the price the 1st owner paid for ea DCB new originally which I assume isn't readily available.

That would give one an accurate accounting of what 6y/o DCB's are selling for. I don't really know any other way you could substantiate the claim b/c everything else is just subjective.

Just my $.02.


From what I can determine used price on well equipped F32 has increased between $20k-$30k vs 2013. I know this from experience in buying mine last year.

New build price on an 2008 F32 big HP/6 drive and well optioned had to be over $500k

daddy 05-01-2014 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by NASCAT (Post 4115488)
I'm not questioning the demand just the retention of value. Boats being in demand & or selling does not necessarily have any correlation to high resale value. In fact in most cases high volume of a particular item means a great deal for the buyer not necessarily the seller.

In order for your statement to hold water I think you'd have to post the price the 1st owner paid for ea DCB new originally which I assume isn't readily available.

That would give one an accurate accounting of what 6y/o DCB's are selling for. I don't really know any other way you could substantiate the claim b/c everything else is just subjective.

Just my $.02.

says the guy who has had a skater for sale since 08.... just my $.02.

NASCAT 05-01-2014 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by daddy (Post 4115590)
says the guy who has had a skater for sale since 08.... just my $.02.


Interesting statement but you ought to get your facts straight b/c I didn't buy the Skater until late 2008.
You are not very good at math are you?
Not my $.02, FACT!

Outkast Rafe 05-01-2014 02:55 PM

ohhh snap I got my popcorn this just turned interesting

daddy 05-01-2014 03:02 PM

Funny how you discredit other manufacture sales, but you can't give your skater away for pennies on the dollar. FACT, proven by your boat - 6 years on the market

Schweeng 05-01-2014 03:36 PM

b itches be like........

Cash Bar 05-01-2014 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by Don Johnson (Post 4115533)

New build price on an 2008 F32 big HP/6 drive and well optioned had to be over $500k

Excuse my language but that is focking insane. I have seen a build sheet for a 368 Skater with big hp/6s and it wasn't much different. I think DCB has the nicest interiors in the biz but to be priced the same as a 4' bigger(and better performing) Skater just defies logic.

precisiondetails 05-01-2014 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by daddy (Post 4115590)
says the guy who has had a skater for sale since 08.... just my $.02.

What does Nascats post have anything to do with his Skater being for sale? And since 08? Damn you funny guy! Lol

precisiondetails 05-01-2014 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by daddy (Post 4115604)
Funny how you discredit other manufacture sales, but you can't give your skater away for pennies on the dollar. FACT, proven by your boat - 6 years on the market

It hasn't been on the market for 6 years you Goof!!

Don Johnson 05-01-2014 05:47 PM

It is a combination of things as I see it. Back in 2008 I think DCB was setting the bar very high for detail and style. Billet everything, totally custom trailer, custom interior including a finished cabin, big stereo, bling bling bling and the best of the best components. Fast forward to current I believe Skater, MTI and others are on par or surpassed in many respects. and the price has come up respectively. What does a fully optioned 368 Skater with big power and 6's cost today, I speculate well North of $600k

Don Johnson 05-01-2014 06:02 PM

One other thought...

DCB vacuum bag construction and top tier composites
Skater vacuum bag construction and top tier composites.
Cost of a mold probably the same
Cost to rig and build probably more expensive in So Cal compared to Michigan, labor and air quality emissions

What makes a Skater any more, or less costly to build? Yea pound for pound a Skater may perform better, slightly, but at the end of the day top of the line anything costs big dollars and I don't think DCB or Skater has a silver bullet or top secret methods to manufacture a boat significantly cheaper by comparisons.

precisiondetails 05-01-2014 06:33 PM

I see what your saying about costs are costs. But a Skater being slightly better performing that's just crazy. Remember a DCB has a training wheel, no comparison!! Skaters are race proven!

Don Johnson 05-01-2014 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4115721)
I see what your saying about costs are costs. But a Skater being slightly better performing that's just crazy. Remember a DCB has a training wheel, no comparison!! Skaters are race proven!

I have raced many boats to include Super Cat way back and have experience in both DCB's and Skater. You saying a DCB has training wheels is classic. Yes, a full tunnel, non center pod boat, certainly has its advantages in big stuff. In the So Cal/Arizona inland lakes that many West Coast peeps frequent there is little advantage I would give to a Skater. There are few days one could have fun in the Pacific Ocean in a cat period, regardless of brand and size. It is a rare day the swells are under 5 foot, big blue in the West is v hull territory.....That leaves inland waterways which are usually pretty calm conditions.

Have you driven an F32 DCB? No porpoise at any speed and turns like it is on rails at all speeds and will crush 2-3 foot chop but would not want to be in anything bigger. I have driven 36 Skaters and they are a sloppy boat 80-100 MPH and porpoise but will crush 2-3 and bigger. I say both designs have their advantages and disadvantages.

ILMORdude 05-01-2014 06:48 PM

Why don't they go battle the Skaters and MTI's in Superboat? Always wondered why they don't race em.

Don Johnson 05-01-2014 07:06 PM

DCB's were never designed or intended to run in big, sloppy water. They do exactly what they were designed to do and do that very well, run inland water. I have been in a 36 Skater in the Pacific, it is no fun.

daddy 05-01-2014 07:47 PM

on a side note, nascat's skater is stillllll for sale. :poopoo:

antisocial 05-01-2014 08:02 PM

You cant argue with a guy that owns a dcb..they drank to much kool aid and they are die hard to there brand......

precisiondetails 05-01-2014 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by daddy (Post 4115759)
on a side note, nascat's skater is stillllll for sale. :poopoo:

Are you a real idiot & a dick, or are you just already drunk down there in the swamp getting ready for Tickfaw and drunk posting? Lmao... I really hope you are drunk

Nate5.0 05-01-2014 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by daddy (Post 4115759)
on a side note, nascat's skater is stillllll for sale. :poopoo:

Your attempt at knock him is terrible.


But I am sure you feel tough and are smiling about your corny post.

skater40 05-02-2014 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by Don Johnson (Post 4115727)
I have raced many boats to include Super Cat way back and have experience in both DCB's and Skater. You saying a DCB has training wheels is classic. Yes, a full tunnel, non center pod boat, certainly has its advantages in big stuff. In the So Cal/Arizona inland lakes that many West Coast peeps frequent there is little advantage I would give to a Skater. There are few days one could have fun in the Pacific Ocean in a cat period, regardless of brand and size. It is a rare day the swells are under 5 foot, big blue in the West is v hull territory.....That leaves inland waterways which are usually pretty calm conditions.

Have you driven an F32 DCB? No porpoise at any speed and turns like it is on rails at all speeds and will crush 2-3 foot chop but would not want to be in anything bigger. I have driven 36 Skaters and they are a sloppy boat 80-100 MPH and porpoise but will crush 2-3 and bigger. I say both designs have their advantages and disadvantages.

At LOTO last year,the 388 skater was 15 mph faster in the mile than a M41-both having 1350 mercs.
The "training wheel" drags and impedes the top end speed.
In November of last year ,we rode up the river at Havasu as 3 DCBs passed us,in my deck boat, and all 3 had a 3rd rooster tail 2.5 feet tall in the center and 8 feet tall on the outer edges.

Michael1 05-02-2014 03:27 AM


Originally Posted by Don Johnson (Post 4115476)
Nope, the F series is still in demand with some that don't like how difficult a full windshield boat is to get on and off when beaching....

It's amazing what people's priorities are for a performance boat, not prevent getting blasted by wind at high speed, but beaching.

Michael

SkiDoc 05-02-2014 05:54 AM

Skaters, MTI's are awesome performance machines. BTW 55 Skaters for sale in the classifieds. If you want to be top dawg, go with one of these. If you enjoy boating on the lake go with the DCB. Nice rigging and ergonomics. More Space for people and items because of the cabin. A place to get out of bad weather in the cabin. We get caught out in Lake Cumberland in showers all the time and it is nice for my wife and kids to be able to get out of the rain. Attention to detail is second to none Eddie Young told me that the rigging and construction of my boat was the nicest he had ever worked on. My boat is 13 years old and not one check or craze line, no creeks or rattles. The DCB's are much heavier than the Skaters. Hledin is a master of building things light and strong. But with the DCB's there is less of a risk of water intrusion into coring as the boat ages. Don't really hear of any DCB's needing to go to the shop to replace their fuel tanks... The training wheels make the boat much more maneuverable and fun at lower speed which most of us who boat on crowded inland lakes contend with. The true tunnels do not feel great until they start packing air which can be a speed which is tough to run at safely with SeaDoos pontoons, etc.. out in full force. The DCB is a fun boat, that is easy to live with, not slow, and built very well. The Skaters and MTI's are the fastest race machines on the planet and can be run on the ocean. I can not afford and don[t want to mess with a boat that needs a tilt trailer or wide load permits and no cabin. DCB owners can enjoy their time on the water and wave to the very few boats that can pass them.

27daytona 05-02-2014 07:00 AM

Wow. what a post. I would be happy to own either. They are both very different but great boats. Can't we just get along, all this arguing is making the children cry. Doug

antisocial 05-02-2014 07:01 AM

[QUOTE=SkiDoc;4115899]Skaters, MTI's are awesome performance machines. BTW 55 Skaters for sale in the classifieds. If you want to be top dawg, go with one of these. If you enjoy boating on the lake go with the DCB. Nice rigging and ergonomics. More Space for people and items because of the cabin. A place to get out of bad weather in the cabin. We get caught out in Lake Cumberland in showers all the time and it is nice for my wife and kids to be able to get out of the rain. Attention to detail is second to none Eddie Young told me that the rigging and construction of my boat was the nicest he had ever worked on. My boat is 13 years old and not one check or craze line, no creeks or rattles. The DCB's are much heavier than the Skaters. Hledin is a master of building things light and strong. But with the DCB's there is less of a risk of water intrusion into coring as the boat ages. Don't really hear of any DCB's needing to go to the shop to replace their fuel tanks... The training wheels make the boat much more maneuverable and fun at lower speed which most of us who boat on crowded inland lakes contend with. The true tunnels do not feel great until they start packing air which can be a speed which is tough to run at safely with SeaDoos pontoons, etc.. out in full force. The DCB is a fun boat, that is easy to live with, not slow, and built very well. The Skaters and MTI's are the fastest race machines on the planet and can be run on the ocean. I can not afford and don[t want to mess with a boat that needs a tilt trailer or wide load permits and no cabin. DCB owners can enjoy their time on the water and wave to the very few boats that can pass them.[/


thats about it in a nutshell

purrfection 05-02-2014 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4115804)
Are you a real idiot & a dick, or are you just already drunk down there in the swamp getting ready for Tickfaw and drunk posting? Lmao... I really hope you are drunk

He,s not from down here in swamp country, thank goodness. He lives in North La. And only wishes he owned a Skater.


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