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Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4158624)

Trying to compare the two is like apples and oranges...

You have a guy who walks into the showroom and buys a brand new vette with all the bellls and whistles

And then you have the guy that has lovingly rebuilt a 63 split window coupe from the frame up.

They both love their vettes, they both look at the other guys vette and say "damn thats sweet"

But they are two compeltely different cars and two completely different owners.

so which vete is better and more solid in big water? run em and find out for us...

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Originally Posted by 302Sport (Post 4158635)

BUT the guy with the older vette will not and cannot tell you his vette will perform like a new one..........

mark stielows 69 pro touring camaro kicked a brand new modified vettes azz at the optima batteries shootout last year, his new camaro with have 1000 ponies instead of 880 like his last, plus more tire front and rear... better abs.... so yeah the right old vette with the right chassis under could still whip a new vettes azz...
stielows camaro is the bomb, it was huge him smoking that vette, which had better weight dist, lover cd, was much wider, etc, etc, etc... thats how bad his camaro was, the new one will have better weight dist, wider stance, with more hp, and more rubber. you should watch this years optima shootout...

Went to college with Mark in Rolla. Sharp guy, and very cool as well.

While beating a new 2012 ZL1 on the track at Gingerbread with Red Devil, his latest '69 Camaro, he also admitted Red Devil was more of a handful to drive, too. IE, more like a race car. Less refined, and mean. More brute force than the newer car with the bells and whistles.

Perhaps that comment/comparison pertains to boats as well.

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Originally Posted by ratman (Post 4158695)

stielows camaro is the bomb, it was huge him smoking that vette, which had better weight dist, lover cd, was much wider, etc, etc, etc... thats how bad his camaro was, the new one will have better weight dist, ...

I think you meant Loverboy CD.... I switched out the Journey CD to see if it improves my WS-6's trap speeds in the 1/4. I hate Loverboy, but if I pick up .1 seconds in the 1/4, it's worth it.

Wait, that was a typo, you meant lower CG. My bad. Back to discussing old resin buckets.

your in luck, loverboy is playing st clair this year.....

loverboy?

I must be way too young - wtf are you old fellars talking about sidetracking my thread:lolhit:

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Originally Posted by PigNaPoke (Post 4158750)

loverboy?

I must be way too young - wtf are you old fellars talking about sidetracking my thread:lolhit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8G5pBZ5CI

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Originally Posted by PigNaPoke (Post 4158750)

loverboy?

I must be way too young - wtf are you old fellars talking about sidetracking my thread:lolhit:

Lovin' every minute of it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCQCaLuSx0c

lol video came out 5 years before I was born...

:poopoo:

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Originally Posted by SS930 (Post 4158545)

I don't for a second think that's just the apache's or 46 RR! What Jeremy did with AM II was going over the top, full rebuilds through Merc, drives, TAOD paint, updating everything, etc was far from "routine" or related to owning just that one model of boat. That stuff would be very expensive if it was a 40' Hustler or a 46 Cig. If you send all your stuff out to Merc for engine rebuilds (which was crazy $ at the time), TAOD for new paint, etc it's going to get expensive and few people routinely do this (for obviou$ rea$on$). Not to mention when he sold AM II, he basically dumped it at the time (during the depression no less) dropping the price $5k every hour until it sold! It's hard to use that one boat to definitively categorize all boats of the same model based on his unique situation during a depression. Anyone that did the same with a 46 or 51 OL would have went through the same losses.

Regardless, I do agree any large boat with big power will cost a lot to own and will take a good hit in depreciation from when new... they are very expensive to build, run, maintain, so there's a limited market for them and resale reflects that... period.

With that said, while a 41 Apache is truly an awesome boat, I completely agree with 302 that the larger step bottom boats would/will walk away from the equally powered/driven legendary 41 straight bottom in almost all conditions, including the rough as there's just no substitute for the additional running length and more efficient bottoms/modern construction. If the 41 Apache would still be competitive today, they would still be routinely running (and winning with) those old flat bottom resin buckets on the rougher race courses. Regardless, I still love seeing them run. They were awesome then and they still are today! :cool:

You and I are on the same page...........Jeremy's boat came to mind because it has traded hands a few times here on OSO and it was a very recognizable boat. 46 RR "American Bada$$" has had similar results on the sales market though. This is where a 38-42 ft. 525/bravo boat becomes more user friendly at only marginally lower speeds as long as your headers don't crack and blow the motors and you buy a pair of XR's because you pounded on the boat. Even a 700 sci boat is more user friendly on the checkbook though a few of those have blown apart also.