Originally Posted by jusabum (Post 4202047)

Ben was THE money man who built the Apache name to icon status through serious cash, racing and being a bad-boy. McManus was the brains behind the Apache boat business that had Ben's huge cash infusions to make it successful in spite of anything and everything - and he did it well.

Originally Posted by offshoredrillin (Post 4203386)

Kind of forgetting somebody there aren't you? Like the guy that designed the boats and throttled them and is still building new boats that are winning long distance races...

Originally Posted by jusabum (Post 4203634)

This thread is about Ben Kramer. Again, Ben's money literally built Apache into a successful boat business. The 41 was an Aronow designed boat, nothing special, except that there was a ton of money to make it run strong. Keith, Bobby and Tommy all helped and got a nice ride, but without the cash and notoriety, nothing big would have ever happened.

Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4203639)

That is true

too bad the money wasn't from a legal resource though. Perhaps they all could have gone a lot further.

Originally Posted by J-Bonz (Post 4203266)

Yeah but, it's mostly Labrador....

Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4203161)

EHH man Choo want some Columbian Gold , I Geeetzzssa some for choo/

Be right BOCK

We used to get great weed up in Michigan when i was a teen. Moved to SW Fl back in 84 and al they had down here was Mexican crap weed. But hey if you wanted Yea it was great and CHEAp cheap.

Ben had the hookup on the Colombian thing but most everybody I knew it was Mexican or coming through Mexico.

In all my years in Fl I never saw any thing that was near what we used to get up in Michigan until the kids here started with their Hydroponic stuff.

actually for the decade before hydro the market over here was flooded with California