But wasn't/isn't that acutally a 33'?

The former owner of ww traded it in to saber to build a cc. Vorce bought it from Saber but never paid Doug so the money for the cc was not there. He then got several bogus loans against ww and when he went down the bank got the boat, not Saber.
The cc is half done and never got delivered.
Voice was in the process of buying Saber but never finished before he went down. He never used Saber to do anything with boats. He screwed me in many ways I prefer not to rehash
Saber boats bought the 41 mold many years ago legally, how they have come in possession of the 47 is another matter entirely.
Saber is still in business, recently built a 28
I have nothing to do with them any more and wish no association.
NK

Thanks Parnell

Sorry for bringing all this old chit up . Just curiosity.

Yea I finally found a thread that mentions that Doug had bought the 41 mold at the government auction of Ben's Apache company.

Sucks what happened at Saber , great guys I met them when they were building their very 1st 28 many years ago.

Your 21GT is beyond Awesome . So whats the next work of art to come?

Did you go to FHN or FHC ? I am a graduate of FHN 1982.

? so where did legacy boats come into play in this mold sharing? (aka White lightening)

Very interesting thread here, what I don't understand is where Jerry Kilparticks 39 came from if it didn't come from the mould that you have Charlie? I had also thought that the Saber 41 was taken from a splash.................I see both are wrong now!!

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This is the 2 and 2 I have put together on the Saber version of the 41.

In Mr Saccenti's quote that the original old 41 molds that Ben had were auctioned off to a company in Ohio that was advertising 1/2 price Apaches , That company must have been Saber ,and they spent 3 months straightening the hull bottom of the 41 mold.

I have yet to find much more information about the 47 mold other than that yes people have seen it and Saber has it , but I guess there is some bad feelings about how it was acquired.

WOW as the Hull turns in this Industry

I have been thinking about the Kilpatrick boat......it must be a Squadron XII built by Aronow but rigged by Bobby S at Race HQ. So this would be a stretched version of the Cig 38, which Don was then going to evolve into what has become the Apache 41and totally seperate to the 38 mould which Bobby S was having built which Charley now owns??????? Sound about right?????

Looks right except that 38 was really a 37.5 but also sometimes a 39 and the 38 mold Charlie has is really a 39 that is building a 36 that looks like a 33 but also could have been or will be a 42 with Bustle.

All Clear Now?

That's much clearer thanks, I think I need a beer and a lay down after that!

You guys are giving me a headache! Good read tho.