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Old 10-19-2015 | 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
Is this about the war on Marijuana or killing somebody?
A little more than that....CCE, Conspiracy, Money Laundering, Tax Evasion, Murder, Trafficking, Kingpin Status and Narcotrafficker to name a few. Ben was a pioneer and if you look deep (its all public records) you will find things related to New Orleans, New York and more that will blow you away!
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Old 10-20-2015 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Keith Atlanta
Is this about the war on Marijuana or killing somebody?
Well, since this is about Kramer being released it is more about the "war on drugs" since that is what got him his life sentence.
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Old 10-20-2015 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
Not really, the money laundering case was about asset forfeiture and has nothing to do with his prison sentencing.

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Old 10-20-2015 | 12:27 PM
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if he got out don't think it would take long to get put back in. now this whole war on drugs deal coast the tax payers billions and billions. starting to wonder if its worth the fight now pot is legal in a few states and been talked about by all states. quit wasting money and tax it.
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Old 10-20-2015 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by caseyh
if he got out don't think it would take long to get put back in. now this whole war on drugs deal coast the tax payers billions and billions. starting to wonder if its worth the fight now pot is legal in a few states and been talked about by all states. quit wasting money and tax it.
I'll agree on the marijuana. Having property and having lived in Washington State, haven't seen mass problems with legal marijuana. The only negative is here in BC, the gangs have lost a major source of income in illegal marijuana sales. Here it might as well be legal. We have medical marijuana legal federally. Anyway, now the gangs are at war over the harder drugs trade.

Hard drugs should remain illegal. Here in Vancouver, technically all drugs are legal. We have a place drug users can use drugs under medical supervision. The area around the clinic is exempted from drug laws by the federal government. Police can't arrest or even confiscate drug users drugs. The net result, Vancouver is the number one place to live for drug addicts. Since most heroine users are unemployable, Vancouver has the highest property crime rate in North America. Hard drugs are one of the worst things man has ever created!
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Old 10-20-2015 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by onesickpantera
Not really, the money laundering case was about asset forfeiture and has nothing to do with his prison sentencing.
I'm sure they take into account total history of a person ( it is readily available) before they dismiss a harsh sentence. They weigh it all out, then decide whether to release him or not.

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Old 10-20-2015 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Comanche3Six
I'm sure they take into account total history of a person ( it is readily available) before they dismiss a harsh sentence. They weigh it all out, then decide whether to release him or not.
I agree the total history comes into play, and the escape attempt has probably done him in. But, the fact that he laundered money in the 80's is probably irrelevant now. Drug smuggling and money laundering go hand in hand.
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Old 10-20-2015 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by onesickpantera
I agree the total history comes into play, and the escape attempt has probably done him in. But, the fact that he laundered money in the 80's is probably irrelevant now. Drug smuggling and money laundering go hand in hand.
If you noticed Ben tried to overturn his conviction in the Aronow case, unsuccessfully of course, but he wanted it removed from his record. After serving 25 plus years in prison he has learned every conviction weighs in overall, and he is paying dearly. Life/freedom is a one shot deal, this isn't a test drive.

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Old 10-20-2015 | 04:04 PM
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My prediction is the U.S. will federally legalize marijuana in the next five years. With legalization all marijuana offenders will be released.

Canada just got a new prime minister, in his victory speech he said the first thing he'll do is legalize marijuana. With Canada and several U.S. states being legal. The U.S. will have little choice, it will have to legalize.
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Old 10-20-2015 | 05:34 PM
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As much as I am FOR it- I think it has a long way to go! We cant even get strong Beer in OK.
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