Eh I don't...our boat would do 80-82 at best with steps with current power. the 10-12 mph isnt a deal breaker for us. We are still going to be one of the slower boats out there.

I know I will get bashed for this, but I'm not sure the speeds of stepped hulls increase as much as everyone on here thinks/says. Most of the non steps in question are side by side, heavy glass boats. The stepped hulls everyone likes to compare these older boats to have full stagger, lighter material hulls, usually with more hydro-dynamic lowers.........this combination also allows for "tricker" props as well. Never mind the ocean we boat in here in the northeast. I think I understand part of what the steps are doing. Not the least of which is to aerate the bottom. If you are out on a nice glass body of water there is no doubt in my mind the steps will help. But the real world around here with the chopped up water, waves coming at several directions, etc. not so much. Just my opinion!

I have to disagree with you. The numbers I posted are real life gps numbers, I have nothing to gain by inflating them. It was a 2002 38 tg,heavy side by side glass boat that ran over 100. Can't help it if you don't like/believe the numbers but they are what they are. For a comparison, my glass 37 ol, side by side 600 hp ran 94 gps and my first 92 Kevlar 38 cig with hawk 600 ran 73, do the math. There is no comparison when it comes to steps in a boat. You can say what you want about chopped up water but it still doesn't do what steps do

Herb is spoiled, his straight bottom sutphen with 1000's runs 112, I get what he's saying though, 9000 lb top gun straight bottom vs 9000 lb stepped top gun both with 600's what's the speeds?

the 38 PP and the 38 TG aren't in the same league........the 38 PP is a beast!

A 525 38 PP runs 82-84 w/generator/a/c/flat screen tv. With 700's it is a high 90's boat (only one exists and it was built as a 525 boat new).

How is that far off from a top gun?

The PP was heavy with options never seen on a TG (enclosed head, genny/a/c and finished all the way to the bow) and it was a solid ride, you couldn't even feel the ventilation of the hull under the steps like in a TG. The 38 I drove had 400+ hours on it, 10,000 nautical miles on the GPS and it still hit 82.

I see, just doesn't seem that far off from a gun that runs 88-90 with basic cabin and 525's.

There's almost a 20 mph difference. Straight bottom vs ts tg with 600's, mid 70's to mid 90's. As for the 38 pp, it is the same bottom as a 388 slingshot. They got sued over that years ago, probably why they are no longer around.

I didn't read this whole thread but "Out of Control" Lip-Ship 38 w/750 tunnel rammed N/A Zuls ran just over 105. Rumor was it ran near 110 but ya know how rumors are! :D