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Originally Posted by benjen (Post 4245534)

I'm not sure I really want to get into this, but here goes. I never commented on any particular boats speed. So, your comment about the 2002 Top Gun running over 100 wasn't an issue with me. My comment concerned the gains from steps........apples to apples. You mention the 37 Outerlimits with steps, side by side 600's and the 38 Cigarette with 600 hawks. 21 mph faster with steps! I find that hard to believe that we are talking apples to apples there. Was the horsepower the same? Were the drives the same? Were the props the same?

Kevin rigged the both of the above boats with the same power. He had the 600's in the Outerlimits Stilleto, Pulled them out and put them in the Kevlar Layed up Cig. These were his numbers, real proven numbers. The drives on the Outerlimits were Xr's I believe and the Hawk has 3's. So if you want to say 5 MPH for Trans weight and drives, that is the only real difference. Cig92 also is a driver and was just giving his experience based on facts. No reason to lie or fabricate.

My 93' Top Gun had 875HP, 3A drives, Perfect Setup from LIPSHIP and TNT. I had 1.62 ratio drives spinning 17.75x31 4 blade props. I ran around 97-98. Heavy Top Gun.

My TS Playboy has twin 500 EFI which make 570-580 on the DYNO. The boat runs 88-89mph. Uses much less gas. And the 35 playboy has no transom notch like the TS GUN.

I am a believer, the TS is just more efficient. Based on my numbers we are talking 600HP more to run 8MPH faster. That's not economical no matter how you skin it

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Originally Posted by cig92 (Post 4245253)

I have to disagree with you. The numbers I posted are real life gps numbers, I have nothing to gain by inflating them. It was a 2002 38 tg,heavy side by side glass boat that ran over 100. Can't help it if you don't like/believe the numbers but they are what they are. For a comparison, my glass 37 ol, side by side 600 hp ran 94 gps and my first 92 Kevlar 38 cig with hawk 600 ran 73, do the math. There is no comparison when it comes to steps in a boat. You can say what you want about chopped up water but it still doesn't do what steps do

Why are we comparing a OL to a cig? There is no relevance. The comparison is a cig to a cig. I'd venture a guess that if you had a flat bottom OL with 600's it would run over the 73 mph mark. The 73 mph to 94mph isn't relevant.

I'm not arguing the numbers. Maybe the OL steps are more efficient than cigs.

The 99 F2 straight bottom with no cabin but weighs about the same as a new TS, with a cabin, ran 78.4 with 500EFI's and bravos.

A TS 38 with 500EFI's and bravos runs low 80's.

So, same weight, same power, one has steps, one doesn't and it's maybe 4-5 mph.

Richie Powers who was around Cig when the steps were put on the boat also confirmed this, and said the real speed gains were from shaving weight and X dimension/prop technology.

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Originally Posted by cigrocket (Post 4245551)

So this is exactly why I didn't want to go here. I'm not arguing with you or anybody. I just said in my opinion the gains from stepped hulls isn't as much as what is being claimed here. You just surrendered 5 mph bringing the 21 down to 16. I'm no expert so I don't know the difference between the 2 drives/props. Is there another 5 somewhere between the boats. If so that's now 11. Which was my original point. The gains are smaller than claimed when we compare apples to apples. Again, my opinion.

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Originally Posted by 1MOSES1 (Post 4245540)

is that Gordon's? If so does he have boxes or shortys? might explain some of the difference.

after reading this thread, the speed disparity seems as though it's more a function of weight than steps. I'd venture a guess that if our 94 500 efi boat weighed 2000lbs less we'd be around 72-73 which cuts the gap even more between a stepped boat and flat boat (10 mph). With that you lose almost half the cabin and the lighter layup t/s's from what Ive seen have cracks around the cowling and engine bay.

Every 1000lbs is good for 3mph. Most of the 90`s Cig. had 1/2 cabins, I`d agree weight is the biggest factor

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Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4245573)

Every 1000lbs is good for 3mph. Most of the 90`s Cig. had 1/2 cabins, I`d agree weight is the biggest factor

Yes Gordon's boat. Sportmaster shorties, and its boxes, as delivered by cigarette when new. It might have a 1" spacer now.

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Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4245573)

Every 1000lbs is good for 3mph. Most of the 90`s Cig. had 1/2 cabins, I`d agree weight is the biggest factor

I've only seen one late 90's cig with half cabin. All of the ones in this area have full and all of the ones for sale have full.

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Originally Posted by drpete3 (Post 4245547)

Do we not have any 38 TS staggered vs non staggered w bravos and 525s to end the debate on how much the stagger adds?

I suspect that the answer to the OP is that you would have a 100 mph boat on a 750 hp TS 38 bravo boat.

Guy I know here has 06 39 gun with staggered 525's, I have a 04 side by side 525's. Same drives on both boats, we both run the same speed, 85 mph

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Originally Posted by Full Force (Post 4245517)

wow, maybe something was off in my buddys boat... not sure...

My 525 boat runs 85 on the gps no bullchit. People can claim whatever they want but with everyday gear and fuel in freshwater it will run 85. My recall even shows 88 but I've never been close to that.
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That's because once you hit 88, you time travel. You just don't remember it.....