Info and pics on the Sonic cat.
02-23-2015 | 06:23 PM
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02-23-2015 | 06:42 PM
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02-23-2015 | 07:01 PM
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Wow... crazy stuff. I just joined Offshore only. r there any judgments on this guys tony?
I'm having a little trouble sleeping tonight so I figured I would chime in here a little. Obviously I appreciate the posts from members here who empathize with my situation, thank you! Let me just say a little bit here about both facts and some of my opinions. Fact: Two years ago this month I compounded my problems with Tony Frisina/ Arrow Powerboats by transferring him more money than we had agreed to in the agreement between him, myself and OCM. This was my big mistake, I lost my edge in the negotiating. At this point it was easier to screw me over and sell the boat twice and profit vs doing what we had contracted to do and complete the boat. For those of you that are new here to this situation this was funds paid to Frisina by me on behalf of the dealer, I had completely paid for the boat when I made my initial deal by trading down in boat.
Other Customers Boats:
The first 36 CC with the stepped bottom is currently in litigation in NJ. The boat was never completed ( although it was completely paid for and over a YEAR late) and later as part of the litigation was deemed unseaworthy by a marine construction professional.
The 42 Spectre ( wait lost the franchise), Sonic ( wait, people won't accept it as a Sonic), Frisini Cat was funded and never completed. This boat was years late and also deemed ( this is second hand info not personally told to me) unsafe and a hazard to the occupants. The owner of the vessel had to pay to have the boat completely re rigged at his expense. It is rumored that this was in excess of $50,000. This owner also had to pay for a complete cabin to be made and installed since Frisini never finished the boat. Today the graphics on the boat have been changed to not indicate any branding related to Frisini.
The first 39 CC owner does appear to be happy with his boat as indicated by some of his posts here on OSO.
The first open bow 30 Vendetta completed a cpl years ago ( over a year late) also had to be completely re rigged. The dealer involved had to eat this expense and has never been funded by Frisini for their poor and unacceptable craftsmanship.
Well known professionals and vendors in the marine industry who have been financially screwed by Tony Frisina and Arrow Powerboats:
Jay Pilini, original founder of Spectre Powerboats
Chris Dilling, founder of Grafix EFX
John Cunningham, vast experience in different capacities with many brands still in existence today.
Skater40, businessman and former owner of Spectre molds and branding rights.
Ilmor Marine
PokeRuns America
Tim Sharkey ( rumor not first hand knowledge known by me but hinted to in his posts also)
Oregon Custom Marine
I would strongly caution anyone thinking about doing business with this company to do their due diligence. Pick up the phone and call some well known people in the industry. Tony Frisina and Arrow Powerboats are a joke in the marine industry and not a valued customer by most marine vendors ( cash only).
In closing, I'm embarrassed I ever thought about leaving Nor-Tech. Both Nor-Tech and FastBoats were easy simple transactions and the products they gave me provided me great memories that will last a lifetime, and more importantly allowed me to meet some amazing people in both this sport and industry. Due to Tony Frisina and Arrow Powerboats I will be on the sidelines for quite some time but still enjoy OSO and all the friends I have made here.
Other Customers Boats:
The first 36 CC with the stepped bottom is currently in litigation in NJ. The boat was never completed ( although it was completely paid for and over a YEAR late) and later as part of the litigation was deemed unseaworthy by a marine construction professional.
The 42 Spectre ( wait lost the franchise), Sonic ( wait, people won't accept it as a Sonic), Frisini Cat was funded and never completed. This boat was years late and also deemed ( this is second hand info not personally told to me) unsafe and a hazard to the occupants. The owner of the vessel had to pay to have the boat completely re rigged at his expense. It is rumored that this was in excess of $50,000. This owner also had to pay for a complete cabin to be made and installed since Frisini never finished the boat. Today the graphics on the boat have been changed to not indicate any branding related to Frisini.
The first 39 CC owner does appear to be happy with his boat as indicated by some of his posts here on OSO.
The first open bow 30 Vendetta completed a cpl years ago ( over a year late) also had to be completely re rigged. The dealer involved had to eat this expense and has never been funded by Frisini for their poor and unacceptable craftsmanship.
Well known professionals and vendors in the marine industry who have been financially screwed by Tony Frisina and Arrow Powerboats:
Jay Pilini, original founder of Spectre Powerboats
Chris Dilling, founder of Grafix EFX
John Cunningham, vast experience in different capacities with many brands still in existence today.
Skater40, businessman and former owner of Spectre molds and branding rights.
Ilmor Marine
PokeRuns America
Tim Sharkey ( rumor not first hand knowledge known by me but hinted to in his posts also)
Oregon Custom Marine
I would strongly caution anyone thinking about doing business with this company to do their due diligence. Pick up the phone and call some well known people in the industry. Tony Frisina and Arrow Powerboats are a joke in the marine industry and not a valued customer by most marine vendors ( cash only).
In closing, I'm embarrassed I ever thought about leaving Nor-Tech. Both Nor-Tech and FastBoats were easy simple transactions and the products they gave me provided me great memories that will last a lifetime, and more importantly allowed me to meet some amazing people in both this sport and industry. Due to Tony Frisina and Arrow Powerboats I will be on the sidelines for quite some time but still enjoy OSO and all the friends I have made here.
02-23-2015 | 07:16 PM
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There was a lien on the Nor-Tech due to me having it financed but the credit union never filed the lien with the state. Not the credit unions fault that I did business with a thief ( in my opinion), but it was their fault that the lien never got filed with the state. This basically made my loan a personal loan. We could never do a transfer of collateral due to the fact that the boat was never near complete nor would the manufacturer provide a useable HIN number. There are many details in between ( most of which are listed in other threads here on OSO) but in the end the boat went from a Spectre( logo integrated in the paint scheme) to a Sonic ( which I did not purchase) to a hermaphordite. The boat said Sonic on the outside, Spectre on the seats from PPI, and Spectre on the custom Livorsi gauges and electrical panels. The boat was a disaster. Again leaving out some of the details ( at the expense of rewriting info in other threads), when I told Frisina that this was unacceptable he told me and the Vice President at the credit union to **** off, he is gonna sell it to someone else. When the banker said " you can't do that, it's our boat too" he replied I'm doing it and hung up the phone. Now many on here say how can they do that? It's stealing! It's Fraud! Your all right but the police don't get involved in business disputes, that is what lawyers are for. Now I spent money with a Florida attorney only to have Frisina move the boat to NJ to use it himself and avoid Fl legal action trying to recover it or preferably my money. Now all the money spent in Fl is a waste and you start over. Consulted with Jersey attorneys and have one estimate at 100k to chase a judgement that you may or may not collect. the first 36 customer is going to court in the very near future and I am anxiously awaiting the outcome and collection process. The owner of the 36 has spent tens of thousands of dollars correcting manufacturers defects and making the boat seaworthy ( I heard from a source close to the situation). There are some pretty tough consumer fraud laws in NJ and triple damages are possible, but again can you collect? The next couple months should be very interesting for the crew down at Sonic.
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02-23-2015 | 07:21 PM
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02-23-2015 | 07:26 PM
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I have read all the posts and history on this debacle and need someone to correct me if I'm wrong.
Chuck had a Nortech which was used as collateral for a loan from a Credit union. Sold the Nortech but didn't notify the CU that the collateral was sold and didn't use the money to payoff the CU. Presumably used those funds as a deposit for the center console, the CU then wanted the title etc.. for the center console as collateral and Chuck refused so the CU pursued him for the money?
We all know chuck paid for a center console but was it ever paid in full? including any upgrades etc after the initial purchase agreement.
Did Chuck hire an attorney as any of us would have done and if so what did he say?
How does one enter into a build agreement/ contract and not have the right to take possession once its paid in full.
Chuck had a Nortech which was used as collateral for a loan from a Credit union. Sold the Nortech but didn't notify the CU that the collateral was sold and didn't use the money to payoff the CU. Presumably used those funds as a deposit for the center console, the CU then wanted the title etc.. for the center console as collateral and Chuck refused so the CU pursued him for the money?
We all know chuck paid for a center console but was it ever paid in full? including any upgrades etc after the initial purchase agreement.
Did Chuck hire an attorney as any of us would have done and if so what did he say?
How does one enter into a build agreement/ contract and not have the right to take possession once its paid in full.
02-23-2015 | 08:26 PM
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From: Sharkey-Images.com
What a shame to give up this Nortech :
In hopes to get this as a custom Spectre assuming this was the same boat. (NOTE: This image was taken approximately 1 year after placing his order)
Only to have it changed to SONIC branding and not take delivery even to this day. ( Image taken in NJ - Nov 15th, 2013.)
In hopes to get this as a custom Spectre assuming this was the same boat. (NOTE: This image was taken approximately 1 year after placing his order)
Only to have it changed to SONIC branding and not take delivery even to this day. ( Image taken in NJ - Nov 15th, 2013.)
