Lake Lanier - lessons learned
07-19-2016 | 06:39 AM
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There is way more dangerous sports and hobbies.
More lives are lost in my woods and mountains than there are with performance boats around the country.
More lives are lost each year at our Bike Week than there are with performance boats around the country.
Don't blow it ( #'s) up into a bigger deal than it is.
Do you want to watch nature thru a window or a picture, or do you want to go out and personally experience it ?
More lives are lost in my woods and mountains than there are with performance boats around the country.
More lives are lost each year at our Bike Week than there are with performance boats around the country.
Don't blow it ( #'s) up into a bigger deal than it is.
Do you want to watch nature thru a window or a picture, or do you want to go out and personally experience it ?
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07-19-2016 | 06:46 AM
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There is way more dangerous sports and hobbies.
More lives are lost each year at our Bike Week than their are with performance boats around the country.
Don't blow it ( #'s) up into a bigger deal than it is.
Do you want to watch nature thru a window or a picture, or do you want to go out and personally experience it ?
More lives are lost each year at our Bike Week than their are with performance boats around the country.
Don't blow it ( #'s) up into a bigger deal than it is.
Do you want to watch nature thru a window or a picture, or do you want to go out and personally experience it ?
2. Pretty sure if you asked the four deceased if they would like to die this weekend or stay on the dock for the weekend they would have been happy to stay on the dock and watch.
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07-19-2016 | 06:50 AM
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Thread reopened for discussion. Please keep the feelings of the family and friends of the souls that were lost in mind when posting.
I am not sure what specifically can be learned from this tragedy that has not been discussed many times before in other threads about similar incidents.
The PFD debate has been hashed and rehashed. Would PFD's have changed anything???? Nobody knows for sure.
I feel its a personal choice or the decision of the owner/captain if he chooses to mandate PFDs be worn.
I don't wear one and highly doubt I ever will on a regular basis. I've been 100+ mph several times and could have put one on and I made the choice not to.
I also feel at high speeds with a catastrophic event that the likelihood of a PFD saving someone is rather slim.
I am not sure what specifically can be learned from this tragedy that has not been discussed many times before in other threads about similar incidents.
The PFD debate has been hashed and rehashed. Would PFD's have changed anything???? Nobody knows for sure.
I feel its a personal choice or the decision of the owner/captain if he chooses to mandate PFDs be worn.
I don't wear one and highly doubt I ever will on a regular basis. I've been 100+ mph several times and could have put one on and I made the choice not to.
I also feel at high speeds with a catastrophic event that the likelihood of a PFD saving someone is rather slim.
1. Jackets help rescuers get to you faster and can prevent drowning. Blunt force trauma or head injury can't be prevented though.
2. Never seen a race held without everyone wearing a jacket (and those guys should be the best boat drivers out there!)
07-19-2016 | 07:04 AM
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1. Lets say there were 250 people at the poker run and 4 perished. (1 in 62.5) vs. 2500 that show up for a major bike event and say 8 perish (1 in 312.5). Boating is 5X more dangerous even with double the number of deaths in bikes. Numbers can sway an argument both ways!
2. Pretty sure if you asked the four deceased if they would like to die this weekend or stay on the dock for the weekend they would have been happy to stay on the dock and watch.
2. Pretty sure if you asked the four deceased if they would like to die this weekend or stay on the dock for the weekend they would have been happy to stay on the dock and watch.
I am saying performance boat deaths in all.
Sure, if you want to make the % look bigger, you can use your example.
If an organized group of 8 go hiking together, and 1 dies, is that 20% of all hikers die ? More typical are groups are 2,3, and 4. So the % sky rockets if you chose to do the math that way.
Here is where I was going, we have many, many mountains in my state. Just one mountain alone has had 137 fatalities(that they know of) as of a few years ago. There where a handful this past year not yet counted in that.
Do we close down our mountains ? No !
Do we feel horrible for those effected by the deaths ? Most definately !
As far as your #2 - of course !
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07-19-2016 | 07:05 AM
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Why does it always seem to be the Skaters and Cumberland folks or @ Cumberland? Not speculating whatsoever, it's just strange IMHO.
2008 Kevin Sellers @ LC 36' Skater
2013 Jeff and Brad @ LC 40' Skater
2016 Anthony, Tammy, Art and Melissa 38' Skater
2008 Kevin Sellers @ LC 36' Skater
2013 Jeff and Brad @ LC 40' Skater
2016 Anthony, Tammy, Art and Melissa 38' Skater
07-19-2016 | 07:19 AM
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We are all big boys and if you don't know what safety precautions to take and enforce by now, find a different sport. We know the risks and weigh the risks for everything we do in life, then make our own choices.
This thread is a poor attempt to discuss the accident.
This thread is a poor attempt to discuss the accident.
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07-19-2016 | 07:29 AM
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Unless it was witnessed or caught on a video the causes will be speculation and lead us nowhere. The dude chopping throttles in the Fountain was a lesson because you could see his actions, this...who knows. Sort of pointless until more facts come out.
07-19-2016 | 07:34 AM
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I think the biggest lesson learned is what John Woodruff said at the captains meeting that night, it was an accident. Nothing more, it was just an accident and accidents happen. I didn't know Art, but from what I've read he's a very experienced boater so he's probably run that boat fast 100s of times, this time it just happen to catch a rouge roller. Could happen to any of us...
07-19-2016 | 07:47 AM
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Why don't you people just call up your insurance company yourselves and tell them to double your rates?
They are already reading this.
What happened? The boat was going fast and it got out of shape.
Why? No one is certain, but it did NOT involve another craft.
Does this suck that it happened? Yep.
Could PFDs helped? Perhaps.
But only if rated for high speed impacts AND worn correctly (read: leg straps).
They likely died from impact and not drowning, and that should come out at some point.
I'm not sure what else needs to be discussed.
Even though this didn't happen on the Poker Run, let's hope this doesn't cause it to get shut down; as has happened to many other runs around the country.
They are already reading this.
What happened? The boat was going fast and it got out of shape.
Why? No one is certain, but it did NOT involve another craft.
Does this suck that it happened? Yep.
Could PFDs helped? Perhaps.
But only if rated for high speed impacts AND worn correctly (read: leg straps).
They likely died from impact and not drowning, and that should come out at some point.
I'm not sure what else needs to be discussed.
Even though this didn't happen on the Poker Run, let's hope this doesn't cause it to get shut down; as has happened to many other runs around the country.
Last edited by Sydwayz; 07-19-2016 at 08:41 AM.
