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indysupra 11-15-2016 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=class6;4500876]Mine always crank near the weld. I fill the header with argon and keep it flowing from a second bottle as I weld to try to cool and keep environment as clean as possible. works a lot better. no cracking since I have been doing that.[/QUOTE
That is the only way to weld stainless tubing.

BUP 11-15-2016 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4500853)
Pfaff has been running 8 O2's for years on his 655's. All you need is a spacer drilled and taped. We run 1" spacers on single engine race boats to make the valve train easily accessible. Just run copper or MLS exhaust gaskets and never have a problem.


I have not seen this from them (Ptaff ) but have not seen their 655. Will add that's great they upgraded and updated their marine builds ECM / electronics side of the coin, I have to say NOT knocking them but 4 or up to 7 years ago and back I seen and worked on few of their engine builds with MEFI 3. That is 20 years behind the times for new builds plus no montoring of wide bands using it, I am saying this as they are looked at as high end builder and was kind of shocked seeing MEFI 3. That's all I am saying no other intention.

What ECM are they currently using and for the engine builds with 8 widebands ? Thanks

14 apache 11-15-2016 10:02 PM

Is this engine a max race effort build? I also did 8 02 sensors just for dyno on dyno headers. There is power mounting injectors high or above the bells on the injector tubes. So chasing a few hp on individual o2 corrections I don't understand? Help me!

Black Baja 11-16-2016 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by BUP (Post 4500916)
I have not seen this from them (Ptaff ) but have not seen their 655. Will add that's great they upgraded and updated their marine builds ECM / electronics side of the coin, I have to say NOT knocking them but 4 or up to 7 years ago and back I seen and worked on few of their engine builds with MEFI 3. That is 20 years behind the times for new builds plus no montoring of wide bands using it, I am saying this as they are looked at as high end builder and was kind of shocked seeing MEFI 3. That's all I am saying no other intention.

What ECM are they currently using and for the engine builds with 8 widebands ? Thanks

I wanna say they were using Motec ecm's or there is a company across the street from Motec they were using. Can't remember that was probably 3 years ago I had spoken to the guy that was building there cylinder heads for there big N/a motors. Claimed 1050hp pump gas @ 5,000rpm which I found a little hard to believe.

Black Baja 11-16-2016 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by 900HP (Post 4500885)
Absolutely. My friend Scott has been doing nitrous engines this way with good results. O2's don't like moisture, if we keep the O2 close it will have a better chance of staying dry and it will warm up faster. The O2 will not be in the direct exhaust stream, we will use bungs that put the tip of the O2 at the same depth as the inside of the tube............ the O2's respond just as accurately in this position and stay out of direct exhaust heat.

Do yourself and everyone else involved a favor and put header drains on the headers so when the engine stops running the water drains out of the headers. When they are drained the headers don't swet as much. This will help keep moisture out of the O2's and it seems like the headers last longer in general...

sutphen 30 11-16-2016 05:37 AM

wouldn't it be just easier to buy a used big cubed motor and detune it.seems much simpler.the big boys already figured it out.

hogie roll 11-16-2016 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4501049)
wouldn't it be just easier to buy a used big cubed motor and detune it.seems much simpler.the big boys already figured it out.

A new boat with a used motor? wouldnt be right. It doesn't seem like used stuff sells for much less than new on yb or racingjunk. Wouldn't be many 665s to choose from either.

900HP 11-16-2016 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4501036)
I wanna say they were using Motec ecm's or there is a company across the street from Motec they were using. Can't remember that was probably 3 years ago I had spoken to the guy that was building there cylinder heads for there big N/a motors. Claimed 1050hp pump gas @ 5,000rpm which I found a little hard to believe.

MoTec has an ecu that will do closed loop per cylinder.

900HP 11-16-2016 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by 14 apache (Post 4501009)
Is this engine a max race effort build? I also did 8 02 sensors just for dyno on dyno headers. There is power mounting injectors high or above the bells on the injector tubes. So chasing a few hp on individual o2 corrections I don't understand? Help me!

You are correct that with the Hilborn the airflow per cylinder is going to be more even than say on a single plane manifold. I personally have seen swings of 30hp+ on normal engines in the 700-750 hp range with individual corrections on. It may be as low as 2-3% with the Hilborn best to worst cylinder which may only be 10-15hp.

The real reason is so that I can put a good, solid tune up in it and know that I don't have one cylinder that's a little on the lean side. We are making no bones about it, this is a high-performance effort the limits imposed being compression ratio to run pump gas and rpm for longevity.

BUP 11-16-2016 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4501037)
Do yourself and everyone else involved a favor and put header drains on the headers so when the engine stops running the water drains out of the headers. When they are drained the headers don't swet as much. This will help keep moisture out of the O2's and it seems like the headers last longer in general...

Mark months ago brought up to me about he likes these certain drain plugs but did not realize that I have at the very least 150 in stock of those exact drains Plus 3 other styles including your blue style drains. Anyways we cover that already about putting drains in for the systems.

Also the simple way is to pull the water hoses off at the headers to drain them. I never leave water or even anti freeze sitting in marine exhaust headers or manifolds / risers / because you never know when internal leaks pop up while just sitting there especially 6 months of winterization sit times. That's the last thing I want is a liquid sitting in the exhaust system for 6 months straight.


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