hard lessons.
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Hey jusabum, You are naive if you think any of these super high performance cats are "designed by guesswork at best" and have not been engineered. Computer Aided Design has been in use for many years now. I can assure you that there are thousands of hours in hydrodynamic testing both real and computer generated to insure quality products that are viable for the intended market. There is no manufacturer that wants the stigma of this tragedy associated with it's brand.
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Hey jusabum, You are naive if you think any of these super high performance cats are "designed by guesswork at best" and have not been engineered. Computer Aided Design has been in use for many years now. I can assure you that there are thousands of hours in hydrodynamic testing both real and computer generated to insure quality products that are viable for the intended market. There is no manufacturer that wants the stigma of this tragedy associated with it's brand.
They may be using cad to design and cut foam, but that's it. There is NOT ONE manufacturer who has implemented true data engineering or wind-tunnel flow analysis like most every performance car must go thru.
Comments like yours are scary and reckless.
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From: Overland Park, KS 87mm Loto
Mystic is designed and built by an engineer along with wind tunnel testing
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Sorry, I don't believe that and would like to see something that documents wind-tunnel testing. He may be an engineer, but they also "popped" a Michael Peters designed cat, that's not engineering, that's stealing somebody's hard earned work and reputation.
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And Peters popped it off a Skater, you'll have to call John for his wind tunnel documents for the 51s
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The issue with bringing in license regulations for boats is the amount of qualified instructors/inspectors for the different types of performance boats available. Yes there is Tres and Brad and we have a couple here in Canada also. We have Pleasure Craft Operators requirements in Canada and they are a joke. Read a book and do a multiple choice test to pass and if you don't pass the first time they go through the questions you had wrong and you can write the test again (for a fee) right away.There are restrictions on what types of boats you can drive while you are under 12 (i think it's that low) but then after that you can drive what you want.
There is also the I KNOW MORE than anybody else can teach me attitude. Maybe its time for the manufactures to provide some sort of training as part of the buying process. I think DCB provides the Tres course for new boat purchasers.
Being in the boat insurance industry here I get calls from the underwriting people when they hear about these type of accidents and try to down play what happened until all the facts are known. It's sad to have these accidents happen and hope lessons are learned so we can continue to do what we like.
There is also the I KNOW MORE than anybody else can teach me attitude. Maybe its time for the manufactures to provide some sort of training as part of the buying process. I think DCB provides the Tres course for new boat purchasers.
Being in the boat insurance industry here I get calls from the underwriting people when they hear about these type of accidents and try to down play what happened until all the facts are known. It's sad to have these accidents happen and hope lessons are learned so we can continue to do what we like.
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jusabum -Alcohol had everything to do with this accident. Being buzzed and or two times the limit effects decision making, reaction times and Vision. These Cats are designed to be safe at high speeds. Even without any Cad Work these boats have been tested, raced for years and years while being improved and then used for years for high speed recreational use. They are safe until you put them into a condition that is unsafe which 99% of the time can be prevented by thinking, planning and looking ahead.
Like anything operated at high speed you have to be at your best, meaning 100% focused and not under the Influence of anything. It is sad fellow boaters died and it is even worse in that it could have been prevented. This can't be blamed on Lake Conditions, boat wakes, or a setting sun. All these are conditions, are unsafe for running fast. Not picking on you, its more about picking on making any kind of excuse that Alcohol was not a cause.
Like anything operated at high speed you have to be at your best, meaning 100% focused and not under the Influence of anything. It is sad fellow boaters died and it is even worse in that it could have been prevented. This can't be blamed on Lake Conditions, boat wakes, or a setting sun. All these are conditions, are unsafe for running fast. Not picking on you, its more about picking on making any kind of excuse that Alcohol was not a cause.
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