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Old 12-02-2017, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by flat rate
so let’s not even say your building a new boat let’s just say your paying $50000-$75000 to paint one. You want me to justify paying kids nothing to do it !the profit margin is stupid. Dave Scott’s old mystic was just repainted for $85000 by $10 a hour kids. mti pays $15-20 a hour to paint a boat and they wonder why the turnover is so bad. A bare hull is around $200000-$250000. So your telling me your paying $750000(minus power ) for unskilled labor to build your million plus boat. And we know $10 a hour guys laid it up. I get it if that’s the industry just doesn’t seem fair for the workers. They see all this money thrown around and don’t get paid ****.
Nobody ever said fair, but really....how do you define fair? If the boats are being produced properly and in a timely-as-possible fashion by cheap labor why would a business pay more? Business isn't charity.
Also you have to remember in hobby market segments there is always up and down times. You have to make your money while the making is good. When those lean times hit and boats aren't selling those low wage guys can go off and mow lawns, dig holes, bag groceries, etc etc. The ones on top who are paying 100k a month for building leases, insurnace, etc are still on the hook for that.
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Old 12-02-2017, 08:33 AM
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you are comparing apples to oranges .
big difference between technical and assembly work,,I have been a GM master tech for 31 years now and master tech ASE certified for about 33 years .
you can hire anybody to do assembly work and in a hour or 2 you can walk away from them and they will be able to perform their job,not the same on the technical side it take years and years of training and dedication to get good at it, and believe it or not after all these years I still have to go to school/training every year to keep up with the new technology,but I choose automotive as my career not just my job.but I have made a great living at.
nobody that is worth anything is going to work for $10.00 -$20.00 and take his job serious or care about the product he is delivering.

I agree with all of your points 100%.......the point was the labor rate for boat building/auto building doesn't correspond with the quality or end price of the product. Paying more might be morally right but it takes something already expensive and prices it out of the market.

Repair techs certainly do have a higher skill level than assembly workers.

As a point of reference, C-List has this same post for workers and right below it was Marine Concepts advertising for $9 to sew boat covers. The area simply doesn't support high wage jobs in the marine industry.

Marine Concepts, a growing company located in Kaiser, MO, is searching for candidates who would enjoy sewing and want to become part of our team. We manufacture boat covers for the surrounding area and are adding dealers yearly. Currently we are seeking seamstress/sewers. Experience is helpful but we will train serious inquires. This position is not production line assembly. You will learn how to sew together an entire boat cover from start to finish. Attention to detail is necessary as well as the ability to MANUAVER up to 50 pounds.

This is fulltime work M-F with weekends off.

$9.00
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
I agree with all of your points 100%.......the point was the labor rate for boat building/auto building doesn't correspond with the quality or end price of the product. Paying more might be morally right but it takes something already expensive and prices it out of the market.

Repair techs certainly do have a higher skill level than assembly workers.

As a point of reference, C-List has this same post for workers and right below it was Marine Concepts advertising for $9 to sew boat covers. The area simply doesn't support high wage jobs in the marine industry.

Marine Concepts, a growing company located in Kaiser, MO, is searching for candidates who would enjoy sewing and want to become part of our team. We manufacture boat covers for the surrounding area and are adding dealers yearly. Currently we are seeking seamstress/sewers. Experience is helpful but we will train serious inquires. This position is not production line assembly. You will learn how to sew together an entire boat cover from start to finish. Attention to detail is necessary as well as the ability to MANUAVER up to 50 pounds.

This is fulltime work M-F with weekends off.

$9.00
Wow, in a few week this won't even be minimum wage here in Michigan.
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Old 12-02-2017, 09:06 AM
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What is the labor rate per hour from the OP shop / dealership ?. 150 per hour is my guess ? I understand its a big shop and high over head, But surely there is alot of deep money backing here. I would question mark the quality of work and the end results of a certified tech ONLY being paid 20 bucks per hour. No way in hell a good certified tech trained whom paid his dues in classes - online pre course requirements and the many current classes needed that passes all the testing for certifications is signing up for 20 bucks per hour or 20 bucks per billable hour . Anyways good luck hiring as I know one of the hardest things to do is hire someone extremely great at working on boats for the past 10 years. You have a better shot at winning the lottery. Just saying been there many of times

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Old 12-02-2017, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Jupiter Sunsation
I agree with all of your points 100%.......the point was the labor rate for boat building/auto building doesn't correspond with the quality or end price of the product. Paying more might be morally right but it takes something already expensive and prices it out of the market.

Repair techs certainly do have a higher skill level than assembly workers.

As a point of reference, C-List has this same post for workers and right below it was Marine Concepts advertising for $9 to sew boat covers. The area simply doesn't support high wage jobs in the marine industry.

Marine Concepts, a growing company located in Kaiser, MO, is searching for candidates who would enjoy sewing and want to become part of our team. We manufacture boat covers for the surrounding area and are adding dealers yearly. Currently we are seeking seamstress/sewers. Experience is helpful but we will train serious inquires. This position is not production line assembly. You will learn how to sew together an entire boat cover from start to finish. Attention to detail is necessary as well as the ability to MANUAVER up to 50 pounds.

This is fulltime work M-F with weekends off.

$9.00
$9 a hour! Holly hell I made $9 a hour in highschool. That was 1981-82,,,,
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Originally Posted by BUP
What is the labor rate per hour from the OP shop / dealership ?. 150 per hour is my guess ? I understand its a big shop and high over head, But surely there is alot of deep money backing here. I would question mark the quality of work and the end results of a certified tech ONLY being paid 20 bucks per hour. No way in hell a good certified tech trained whom paid his dues in classes - online pre course requirements and the many current classes needed that passes all the testing for certifications is signing up for 20 bucks per hour or 20 bucks per billable hour . Anyways good luck hiring as I know one of the hardest things to do is hire someone extremely great at working on boats for the past 10 years. You have a better shot at winning the lottery. Just saying been there many of times
I could give you an example of the quality of work but at the request of the victim I'll refrain. Needless to say they'll never see his boat again.
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$9 a hour! Holly hell I made $9 a hour in highschool. That was 1981-82,,,,
Damn dude, you're old as dirt..................................but still a couple years behind me.
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Old 12-03-2017, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
$9 a hour! Holly hell I made $9 a hour in highschool. That was 1981-82,,,,
$9/hr in HS in the early 80's? I was making $4/hr. which was more than minimum wage at the time and thought I was shatting in tall cotton.
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$9/hr in HS in the early 80's? I was making $4/hr. which was more than minimum wage at the time and thought I was shatting in tall cotton.
1985 minimum wage in Florida was 3.35 an hour. It shot up to like $3.70 within a year or so. I switched jobs and got $5 an hour and I was living the dream!

By late 80's I was working at a wealthy country club as a golf bag attendant/cart guy. I was pulling down $400 a week in season working 3.5 days a week then detailing cars for the members for another 100-200 a week. Washing, armour all tires, clean glass, vacuum interior $15-20 but smart enough to know waxing was to be avoided (too much work, too little return!). The regulars were great as I just took the car every week while they were playing so I had a 4-5 hour window to get it done. Some guys never even had passengers (vac lines were still in the carpet from the week before!). Got to drive 911/928s, a 308/328 on occasion, and plenty of Vettes/Lincoln LSC coupes, etc.

$9,10, 20 an hour today for a serious job is a joke.......
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$9/hr in HS in the early 80's? I was making $4/hr. which was more than minimum wage at the time and thought I was shatting in tall cotton.
Yes , I was working at a apartment complex painting, helping with the renovations etc. had started there 2 years before taking care of the yard and whatever work needed done.
Made it easy to dump money in my 70 SS Chevelle clone and have a winter beater. Then motorcycles.
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