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Old 10-24-2002, 05:13 PM
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Here is a Bertram pic . of the Benihana-Rocky Aoki boat.I first met him while I was a kid and later turned out in 1987 to be my Sponsor in my Pro Stock Camaro race car.

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Old 10-24-2002, 05:16 PM
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Boy, that's when race boats were larger than life. Back then a 21' Sea Ray with a 188 Merc I/O was a big fast boat. Nothing compared to the race boats.

Now race boats don't compare to some pleasure boats. Oh how times have changed.
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Originally posted by Twin O/B Sonic
Found these in one of my old albums.
1974 Strohs Grand National run on Lake Erie out of the Cedar Point Amusement park in Sandusky Ohio.
My parents docked a cruiser there at the time and as a 15 yr old, I got drool on a bunch of the boats
They ran that race there I think 2 years. I remember all the pre race hype was that they would set all kind of speed records on that little ass body of water.
They were misstaken
Destroyed several boats sunk a couple as I recall from the rough water. I think the first race was running about 6 footers. But in Lake Erie they are about 10 feet apart
Remember reading the reveiw in power Boat and they called it "the race on the stormy mud puddle"! (the old timers on our dock told me that would happen)
High light was meeting and shaking the hand of Bob Nordskog.
That was "real Off Shore"!
How can they call todays races Offshore??
It should be called "Inshore".
Hell, they race in rivers and bays!
Half of the races I've seen on TV, the idiot announcers/commentators say their running in 8 to 10 seas and it's calm enough I could run my 17' Hydrostream WFO!
Yes the new boats are faster, they're also way lighter since they don't have to be as strong as they used to.
Walk up to a 25 yr old Donzi, Cigarette, or Magnum and whack it on the side and then do it to a new boat. Big freakin difference!
You could drive a Buick into the side of one of the old boats and you'd total the car.
The best Offshore (real) that I've seen recently is the Great Lakes Silver Cup series.
Loved the race out of I think either Cleveland or Lorain where they (TV commentators) were talking to one of the factory class guys and asked him about the points leading Fountain in his class.
The guy laughed at them and said, "wait till we get out from behind the break wall".
He was right.
The Fountain pulled him hard in the bay behind the wall. Soon as they hit open water it was all over.
Real offshore is (was) Bob Nordskog, Don Arronow, Sandy Satoulo (sp?) and Betty Cook. Those people would all laugh at todays sport!
Oh well, I never did take that class on how to win friends and influence people!
Hope you enjoy the pix.
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i could not have said this better myself Don't be afraid thereare more of us old hardcore offshore boaters than you think so don't be afraid of voiceing your opinion
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Bertram did a lot of testing in the old days using 16 mm film and frame by frame analysis they had every Strake combination and Placement Imaginable,That along with even trying to aerate the bottom thru the drilling of hundreds of holes ! (I also worked with the former director of Bertram racing before)

My opinion is two fold #1 The Boats have a 22 Ĺ Degree Bottom @ transom #2 Too much constant running surface!! Well this again was an opinion based on the way races were run once upon a time!!

Now days who Knows?? the combination with its wide strakes may work just fine in the modern day arena!
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Is there any relation of the old Bertram and a Cougar? The bottom looks similiar?
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Mike, My friend rode in Dry Martini twice last year. First in the Pt. Pleasant Race, then in the Bay race. (John Trione). I sent him a really nice picture last year taking a turn in the Bay race.

Who is working on that boat these days? Is Kurt maintaining it?
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