About Collision Course: The Murder of Don Aronow
11-21-2018 | 02:42 PM
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I've liked this interview because the people are alive and known.
https://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/b...der-don-aronow
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11-21-2018 | 05:07 PM
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You must be a son.
Re-read my post and show me the derogatory parts.
Im 59 yrs old and followed it all my life. Best I could from Ohio.
Lived in Fla ‘2006-‘2015 and boated entire time.
Lots in the Keys.
Boated all my life. Built first one at 9, racing at 13 (kneel downs) and built all my boats/motors.
Whole time making my living around boats including 3 yrs building 28’ twiin o/b fish boats based on a 25’ Bertram.
Ive watched/read everything I could find on that subject/era.
Asked all my Fla boating friends everything they knew.
My comments were meant to imply:
Don was the money/business man.
Nothing wrong w/that.
Most boat builders I knew were not.
But, which boats did he design and or build?From what I think I know, most were already in existence.
Lots we would have never seen w/o his involvement. I get that part.
Carry on.
Re-read my post and show me the derogatory parts.
Im 59 yrs old and followed it all my life. Best I could from Ohio.
Lived in Fla ‘2006-‘2015 and boated entire time.
Lots in the Keys.
Boated all my life. Built first one at 9, racing at 13 (kneel downs) and built all my boats/motors.
Whole time making my living around boats including 3 yrs building 28’ twiin o/b fish boats based on a 25’ Bertram.
Ive watched/read everything I could find on that subject/era.
Asked all my Fla boating friends everything they knew.
My comments were meant to imply:
Don was the money/business man.
Nothing wrong w/that.
Most boat builders I knew were not.
But, which boats did he design and or build?From what I think I know, most were already in existence.
Lots we would have never seen w/o his involvement. I get that part.
Carry on.
Hey full force and twin - u two know 0 - go find and buy a piece of land and build a factory with your own mony - never mind 1 plug - then go race and see how u do - ha
the man was a legitimate once in a lifetime American icon and hero - no equals yesterday or today
Brownie is bluster with no 1 to contradict him - he owes his boating life to Don as do 1000s of others including an entire South Florida Cuban-American population - w/o Don, there is no international love for offshore powerboats - others did the "heavy lifting" - ha - ignorant statement -
Sunny Miller is one u can listen to - the others are still wondering how he did it and y it wasn't them -
coming to Miami in 61 and changing the world by 1970 - Please - its hard to give credit to others but here, this man deserves very accolade known to man
the man was a legitimate once in a lifetime American icon and hero - no equals yesterday or today
Brownie is bluster with no 1 to contradict him - he owes his boating life to Don as do 1000s of others including an entire South Florida Cuban-American population - w/o Don, there is no international love for offshore powerboats - others did the "heavy lifting" - ha - ignorant statement -
Sunny Miller is one u can listen to - the others are still wondering how he did it and y it wasn't them -
coming to Miami in 61 and changing the world by 1970 - Please - its hard to give credit to others but here, this man deserves very accolade known to man
11-21-2018 | 06:26 PM
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Lol wow that dudes butthurt!!!
All i I said was he didn’t design and build the hulls himself, Don is and always will be a legend for many reasons, but he was not the only person involved and from documentary’s I seen I never saw fiberglass in his hands, did you? Correct me if I’m wrong with proof please.
I am not taking away what don did, at all... I love my Cig no reason to get all butthurt lol
All i I said was he didn’t design and build the hulls himself, Don is and always will be a legend for many reasons, but he was not the only person involved and from documentary’s I seen I never saw fiberglass in his hands, did you? Correct me if I’m wrong with proof please.
I am not taking away what don did, at all... I love my Cig no reason to get all butthurt lol
11-21-2018 | 10:45 PM
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From: Newport Coast, California.
Mr. Mike Britton the witness.
Not sure if this has been posted before.
Collision Course: The Murder of Don Aronow - ESPN Films: 30 for 30
It was new to me.
Collision Course: The Murder of Don Aronow - ESPN Films: 30 for 30
It was new to me.
Good article by journalist Sydney P. Freedberg, The Miami Herald: (Full article: https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-n...le1932705.html ).
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11-22-2018 | 06:55 AM
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From: Milton, Fla!
I remember that too.
Amazing to me that it’s never been solved.
I always suspect Kramer until reviewing most of the stories and I come away thinking different.
About as much chance of it being a loaded off husband.
Oldest reason in the book.
The failed helicopter escape blew me away.
All the makins for a good movie 😉
Amazing to me that it’s never been solved.
I always suspect Kramer until reviewing most of the stories and I come away thinking different.
About as much chance of it being a loaded off husband.
Oldest reason in the book.
The failed helicopter escape blew me away.
All the makins for a good movie 😉
What truly stands out in this short documentary is the credible witness Mr. Mike Britton. He got a very good look at the man/killer in the Lincoln and to this day has not made a positive ID of any suspect. That Robert 'Bobby' Young's pled No Contest to second-degree murder, sparing him the death sentence and, more importantly, keeping him from having to testify against Kramer and also get the possibility to get out of jail early, despite his murder conviction in another Federal case, and Ben Kramer's no-contest plea in a desperate game to get better prison conditions are very understandable. However the mysterious drug smuggling compadre of 'Bobby' Young, 'Jerry Lee Jacoby' has always fascinated me in this tragic murder case.
Good article by journalist Sydney P. Freedberg, The Miami Herald: (Full article: article1932705.html ).
Good article by journalist Sydney P. Freedberg, The Miami Herald: (Full article: article1932705.html ).
01-02-2020 | 11:59 AM
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Free Ben Kramer
Hey guys,
I just wanted to let you know about an amazing magazine I have bought that sheds new light onto the entire Aronow Kramer situation.
Its an amazing piece of journalism, all FACTS that will take a lot of the wild stories away, including a interview with Ben's son and much more.
Also has a story on KAAMA and Florida smuggling times.
Its called Véhicule and is released as limited Edition.
Will post pics of it later
I just wanted to let you know about an amazing magazine I have bought that sheds new light onto the entire Aronow Kramer situation.
Its an amazing piece of journalism, all FACTS that will take a lot of the wild stories away, including a interview with Ben's son and much more.
Also has a story on KAAMA and Florida smuggling times.
Its called Véhicule and is released as limited Edition.
Will post pics of it later
01-02-2020 | 12:02 PM
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From: Ft. Lauderdale
VÉHICULE is the only journal for avant-garde transportation
VÉHICULE is an annual edition, produced independently and ad-free without external influence. Its contents are the products of intensive, direct scrutiny making for a concisely tailored catalog of avant-garde transportation. It isn't intended for everyone.At the center of the VÉHICULE's first edition is a deep dive into the underworld of offshore powerboating. Our investigation of the world's most dangerous sport starts in the 1970s with Ben Kramer, a South Florida kid with a penchant for living fast. In Miami, thrillseekers quickly found the tightly interwoven worlds of boats and drugs. This is the story of Kramer's life and times—his racing and smuggling careers, business dealings, associates, ultimate downfall and how the American justice system twisted the murder of boating star Don Aronow against him.
This year's edition also highlights modern-day smuggling,
fine art and design:
JEFF KOONS designs for superyacht Guilty
ERWIN WURM on sculpture and society
HENRIK PURIENNE and immortalizing the moment
HARMONY KORINE breaks down the boating scene
2020 edition
27 × 21 × 1.3 cm, 160 pages
Bound offset print on paper
Ad-free, handmade in Germany
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