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Would you buy a new 25 ish go fast?
02-15-2020, 07:31 PM
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Would you buy a new 25 ish go fast?
Would you buy a new 25 ish go fast?
i just came back from my first time visit to the miami boat show... besides pouring rain all day and even more, it is a big show !
Not very many go fast vee's out there... not a surprise. So many CC's !!!
so my question / poll to the oso not neutral crowd on go fast and CC's
is there a place in the market for a 25 ish footer V hull performance boat ? There is none, nothing offered in that range i could see...
you should have seen all the people who could not hide from the rain and wind today on the water! Not sure they appreciated that much their CC's in that weather
so back to my question , is this go fast 25 ish footer market completly dead? Or you would be one of those thinking a 25 v hull offer in the 100-125k range would fill a need again?
i just came back from my first time visit to the miami boat show... besides pouring rain all day and even more, it is a big show !
Not very many go fast vee's out there... not a surprise. So many CC's !!!
so my question / poll to the oso not neutral crowd on go fast and CC's
is there a place in the market for a 25 ish footer V hull performance boat ? There is none, nothing offered in that range i could see...
you should have seen all the people who could not hide from the rain and wind today on the water! Not sure they appreciated that much their CC's in that weather
so back to my question , is this go fast 25 ish footer market completly dead? Or you would be one of those thinking a 25 v hull offer in the 100-125k range would fill a need again?
02-15-2020, 07:47 PM
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I think there is, but I always have.
And Have rose colored glasses.
To do it right you would be in that price range and in my opinion, those buyers would take that money and buy something (Searay, Four Winns etc) in the 70% quality, 50% performance zone.
Im 60 and have boated that range my entire life and IMO, no one has done it right.
Ever
And Have rose colored glasses.
To do it right you would be in that price range and in my opinion, those buyers would take that money and buy something (Searay, Four Winns etc) in the 70% quality, 50% performance zone.
Im 60 and have boated that range my entire life and IMO, no one has done it right.
Ever
02-15-2020, 09:17 PM
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I think there is, but I always have.
And Have rose colored glasses.
To do it right you would be in that price range and in my opinion, those buyers would take that money and buy something (Searay, Four Winns etc) in the 70% quality, 50% performance zone.
Im 60 and have boated that range my entire life and IMO, no one has done it right.
Ever
And Have rose colored glasses.
To do it right you would be in that price range and in my opinion, those buyers would take that money and buy something (Searay, Four Winns etc) in the 70% quality, 50% performance zone.
Im 60 and have boated that range my entire life and IMO, no one has done it right.
Ever
what would be required for a 25 to be done right?
BTW im a very outside the box idea personality
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02-16-2020, 08:01 AM
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Mostly the combination of a lot of little things.
It would be a hard sell as small boats are almost as expensive to build as larger, say 28’ - 30’.
IMO, proper marketing (never been done)could over come that.
Everyone concentrated on what a 23’ - 25’ won’t do instead of what it will.
In the ‘40’s when my dad got our family into boating, the builders pitched it as camping on the water and having your family w/you.
No one cared about AC, plasma TVs, Jillian watt stereos, under water lites etc.
what would/could a 23’ - 25’ do better than s 28’ - 30’?
Could tow it w/moms mini van so you don’t need the expense of a dedicated tow vehicle.
Likely store it in your back yard.
Would run great w/a single of moderate power.
Making it affordable at purchase, good on gas, cheap to maintain, easy to do, etc...
Easier to handle at dock and in trailer, than a larger boat.
Cheaper trailer, mooring cover, easier to clean.
Cheaper for dockage.
$1.50 - $2.50 per additional ft x per night.
The smaller the boat, the greater the sensation of speed.
As in, 60 in a 25’ feels like 80 in a 30’.
Need to be marketed as a weekender, not a day boat.
Cracked up at all the brochures showing a cuddy in their catalog w/o a single picture of the cabin!
And adds for used ones saying, cabin never slept in.
Why?
Last I heard you could still claim the interest as a second home if: you could sleep, eat, and pee on the boat.
I claimed every one I had a loan on.
What would it need?
An easy to use/dump porta potti. My wife’s 25’ Checkmate has one that’s impossible to use, and as hard to get out.
Need to be able to use it w/o waking your mate in the vee birth.
I know a lot of guys that say their wives/girlfriend would never use one.
My reply is always, they will if they want to stay in my boat.
Done right, spending the weekend on the boat is an adventure.
Not too exiting if your running it 5 mls to the tiki bar for the night but how bout a weekend at a new port or anchored off the beach.
Needs a good Bimini.
If you spend the night and it rains, that means bow hatches are closed and so is cabin door.
If it’s a warm night, now w/no breeze...., she’ll never come back.
Also allows you to get your duffle bags out of the cabin (for sleeping) and keeps the dew off of them.
One good bow hatch, preferably two.
W/screens.
They look cool facing backwards but are useless.
Ive reversed all of mine to face/open forward.
When picking a dock I always consider wind direction so we’ll get air flow through cabin at night.
Access to bow for anchoring/docking. Whether it’s a gangway around the windshield like my 24’ Sonics or a step from cockpit, over windshield like my 25’ Checkmate project.
Storage everywhere! My 2nd 24’ Sonic that I added the sun lounge to was first small boat I owned that had more storage than I needed.
A lot of that was due to being an O/B so there was no car motor filling space under lounge.
Mine stored:
2 fold up bikes
2 beach/dock chairs
grill
beach/dock table
8’ Walmart dinghy
4 bumpers
2nd anchor
boat hook
etc
Sand up bolsters instead of fixed buckets.
This let’s you store 2 coolers (one is bar and one is food) under them when at dock w/seat bases up.
A large, functional swim platform w/a good, easy to use boarding ladder.
On my Sonic in Fla I installed a speaker jack at the transom and made two speakers w/suction cups that I’d stick to the top of the O/Bs so I could direct the music to beach, sand bar, where I wanted w/o blasting it from cockpit.
Quiet enough (under way) to carry on a conversation n listen to music.
Again, if your going to the bar who cares.
Spending the weekend on the boat is different.
I had open exhaust in my first 24 Sonic and closed on 2nd.
Made them different boats.
A lot of the Sonics, even the 26’ Prowler, have a slide out cushion section under the vee birth.
It pulls aft, filling the center between the opposing settees.
You now have a bed for your kids (making the 23’ - 25’ workable/sellable to the Mrs), dogs, bags, drunken friend...
Good lighting in the cabin.
If the Mrs has to pee in the middle of the night, it better be easy.
A small sink in cabin. Brush your teeth in morning, pot of coffee via your inverter, etc.
Good In rough water.
In a 23’ - 25’, it’s always rough.
Scare her then try to get her back in the boat.
A lot of it is preparation and attitude.
More you do too, more fun she will have.
My wife loves the weekends on our cuddles. She now does more than I do. She makes bed, unpacks clothes, opens/closes hatches, gets out chairs, table etc,etc.
A remember a weekend at anchor, off the beach (dinghy in) of a Canadian island in Lake Erie yrs ago.
Steak on the grill on the beach Friday eve, bon fire from hell that night, a sky full of shooting stars, sleeping in a vee birth w/a cool lake breeze coming through the hatches......magic.
Morning coffee on the beach while I made Gary Goolash on the grill.
Never forget the couple from the 40’ Searay anchored next door walking by just as I’m stirring the eggs, potatoes, onions, cheese w/a killer aroma.
The guy stops and eyeballs my tiny Sonic, looks at his gorgeous Searay, back at my tiny boat, back to his boat, then looks at his wife, then says to me, “I had cereal” and walks away 😂😂😂
When I finished the Fla 24’ Sonic we spent 5 days and 4 nights on it in the Keys.
No shore power, no AC, no running water, no real head etc, and the Mrs didn’t want to get off!
W/my hypothetical boat being an O/B I can also decide if I want that economical 150 HP powered 55-60 mph boat or twin 300’s and a 90+ MPH set your hair on fire roller coaster ride.
Sorry for the book but you asked and, Ive been working on it for 60 yrs 🏴☠️🌴🍺🐊
It would be a hard sell as small boats are almost as expensive to build as larger, say 28’ - 30’.
IMO, proper marketing (never been done)could over come that.
Everyone concentrated on what a 23’ - 25’ won’t do instead of what it will.
In the ‘40’s when my dad got our family into boating, the builders pitched it as camping on the water and having your family w/you.
No one cared about AC, plasma TVs, Jillian watt stereos, under water lites etc.
what would/could a 23’ - 25’ do better than s 28’ - 30’?
Could tow it w/moms mini van so you don’t need the expense of a dedicated tow vehicle.
Likely store it in your back yard.
Would run great w/a single of moderate power.
Making it affordable at purchase, good on gas, cheap to maintain, easy to do, etc...
Easier to handle at dock and in trailer, than a larger boat.
Cheaper trailer, mooring cover, easier to clean.
Cheaper for dockage.
$1.50 - $2.50 per additional ft x per night.
The smaller the boat, the greater the sensation of speed.
As in, 60 in a 25’ feels like 80 in a 30’.
Need to be marketed as a weekender, not a day boat.
Cracked up at all the brochures showing a cuddy in their catalog w/o a single picture of the cabin!
And adds for used ones saying, cabin never slept in.
Why?
Last I heard you could still claim the interest as a second home if: you could sleep, eat, and pee on the boat.
I claimed every one I had a loan on.
What would it need?
An easy to use/dump porta potti. My wife’s 25’ Checkmate has one that’s impossible to use, and as hard to get out.
Need to be able to use it w/o waking your mate in the vee birth.
I know a lot of guys that say their wives/girlfriend would never use one.
My reply is always, they will if they want to stay in my boat.
Done right, spending the weekend on the boat is an adventure.
Not too exiting if your running it 5 mls to the tiki bar for the night but how bout a weekend at a new port or anchored off the beach.
Needs a good Bimini.
If you spend the night and it rains, that means bow hatches are closed and so is cabin door.
If it’s a warm night, now w/no breeze...., she’ll never come back.
Also allows you to get your duffle bags out of the cabin (for sleeping) and keeps the dew off of them.
One good bow hatch, preferably two.
W/screens.
They look cool facing backwards but are useless.
Ive reversed all of mine to face/open forward.
When picking a dock I always consider wind direction so we’ll get air flow through cabin at night.
Access to bow for anchoring/docking. Whether it’s a gangway around the windshield like my 24’ Sonics or a step from cockpit, over windshield like my 25’ Checkmate project.
Storage everywhere! My 2nd 24’ Sonic that I added the sun lounge to was first small boat I owned that had more storage than I needed.
A lot of that was due to being an O/B so there was no car motor filling space under lounge.
Mine stored:
2 fold up bikes
2 beach/dock chairs
grill
beach/dock table
8’ Walmart dinghy
4 bumpers
2nd anchor
boat hook
etc
Sand up bolsters instead of fixed buckets.
This let’s you store 2 coolers (one is bar and one is food) under them when at dock w/seat bases up.
A large, functional swim platform w/a good, easy to use boarding ladder.
On my Sonic in Fla I installed a speaker jack at the transom and made two speakers w/suction cups that I’d stick to the top of the O/Bs so I could direct the music to beach, sand bar, where I wanted w/o blasting it from cockpit.
Quiet enough (under way) to carry on a conversation n listen to music.
Again, if your going to the bar who cares.
Spending the weekend on the boat is different.
I had open exhaust in my first 24 Sonic and closed on 2nd.
Made them different boats.
A lot of the Sonics, even the 26’ Prowler, have a slide out cushion section under the vee birth.
It pulls aft, filling the center between the opposing settees.
You now have a bed for your kids (making the 23’ - 25’ workable/sellable to the Mrs), dogs, bags, drunken friend...
Good lighting in the cabin.
If the Mrs has to pee in the middle of the night, it better be easy.
A small sink in cabin. Brush your teeth in morning, pot of coffee via your inverter, etc.
Good In rough water.
In a 23’ - 25’, it’s always rough.
Scare her then try to get her back in the boat.
A lot of it is preparation and attitude.
More you do too, more fun she will have.
My wife loves the weekends on our cuddles. She now does more than I do. She makes bed, unpacks clothes, opens/closes hatches, gets out chairs, table etc,etc.
A remember a weekend at anchor, off the beach (dinghy in) of a Canadian island in Lake Erie yrs ago.
Steak on the grill on the beach Friday eve, bon fire from hell that night, a sky full of shooting stars, sleeping in a vee birth w/a cool lake breeze coming through the hatches......magic.
Morning coffee on the beach while I made Gary Goolash on the grill.
Never forget the couple from the 40’ Searay anchored next door walking by just as I’m stirring the eggs, potatoes, onions, cheese w/a killer aroma.
The guy stops and eyeballs my tiny Sonic, looks at his gorgeous Searay, back at my tiny boat, back to his boat, then looks at his wife, then says to me, “I had cereal” and walks away 😂😂😂
When I finished the Fla 24’ Sonic we spent 5 days and 4 nights on it in the Keys.
No shore power, no AC, no running water, no real head etc, and the Mrs didn’t want to get off!
W/my hypothetical boat being an O/B I can also decide if I want that economical 150 HP powered 55-60 mph boat or twin 300’s and a 90+ MPH set your hair on fire roller coaster ride.
Sorry for the book but you asked and, Ive been working on it for 60 yrs 🏴☠️🌴🍺🐊
Last edited by Twin O/B Sonic; 02-16-2020 at 08:24 AM.
02-16-2020, 09:08 AM
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One of the things I really like about boats is how different they are.
You name it, you can find it.
My dream boat would sell 2% of what Four Winn’s, Searay, Baja etc would.
The perfect boat for one guy/family is absolutely wrong for another.
You can stereo type a bunch of owners based on their boats.
Nothing wrong w/any of it but normally different groups.
When I’m on Pelee Island, where it’s harder to get to, not covered w/bars like more local islands, way farther from mainland, I associate w/the sailors more than the power boaters.
Theyre typically skin flints like me, like to stay at anchor, like fighting a storm etc.
The power boaters belong to a yacht club and are at the bar.
The fisherman use their boats as a tool to get them to the fish. They go to fish not boat.
Skiers use their boat as a tool too. They finish skiing they go home.
When we hit the Keys the weekend of the Worlds it was always a special surprise to hit Gilbert’s when the poker runners were there for lunch.
Id be in awe of the iron there but my brain can never get past the upkeep part.
I work my balls off to keep two beat up O/Bs running good let alone look like that.
I think my brain says I’m smart enough and make enough $$ to make them look like that OR run like that but no way I can do both.
Its a different crowd and I totally get and respect that.
Kinda like the show Harley crowd compared to what I do.
You name it, you can find it.
My dream boat would sell 2% of what Four Winn’s, Searay, Baja etc would.
The perfect boat for one guy/family is absolutely wrong for another.
You can stereo type a bunch of owners based on their boats.
Nothing wrong w/any of it but normally different groups.
When I’m on Pelee Island, where it’s harder to get to, not covered w/bars like more local islands, way farther from mainland, I associate w/the sailors more than the power boaters.
Theyre typically skin flints like me, like to stay at anchor, like fighting a storm etc.
The power boaters belong to a yacht club and are at the bar.
The fisherman use their boats as a tool to get them to the fish. They go to fish not boat.
Skiers use their boat as a tool too. They finish skiing they go home.
When we hit the Keys the weekend of the Worlds it was always a special surprise to hit Gilbert’s when the poker runners were there for lunch.
Id be in awe of the iron there but my brain can never get past the upkeep part.
I work my balls off to keep two beat up O/Bs running good let alone look like that.
I think my brain says I’m smart enough and make enough $$ to make them look like that OR run like that but no way I can do both.
Its a different crowd and I totally get and respect that.
Kinda like the show Harley crowd compared to what I do.
Last edited by Twin O/B Sonic; 02-16-2020 at 09:11 AM.
