Crickets for the Large Outboard Cat over at LOTO?
 

I’m not trying to poke the bear start anything or defame anyone or brand of boat but I heard and saw photos of a large late model outboard cat of prominent heritage that went over last week on LOTO. I’ve waited a week to read about it here but nothing. This isn’t a what happened thread but why hasn’t it been discussed here thread.

We have discussed about every incident that has ever occurred here in the past good or bad. I believe it serves as a good reminder and lessons are learned by all when we share circumstances and events which lead up to these incidents. Discussion leads to awareness which help protect us from unknowingly purchasing salvage boats and motors. Additionally it provides important insight to possible setups and hull/motor combination with a history of issues which lead to these events. So is it the person or manufacturer or both that has the influence to keep this under the rug here or simply that no one knows or cares to comment? Is this now a taboo subject? Asking for a friend😬

I did not witness the event or have first hand account of the details so I’ll not elaborate. I am certain what I’m stating is not rumor.


If I’m out of line or stepping on sacred toes by bringIng this up please remove my thread. It just seems strange that it is crickets here.


Happy safe boating my boating brothers and sisters.

There are pics of it out on Facebook both upside down in the water and on land on stands still upside down. Happened at night and from looking at boat one would assume a slow speed roll vs. blowing over. Just glad everyone was OK.

so , like OP, not poking the bare. can someone explain How a “slow speed roll over” happens? I’ve never quite grasped the concept of rolling over at a slow speed and physically how it’s possible

Where at on Facebook are the pics? Also which Ob cat is the one that was upside down?

What boat are we talking about? I’m not on FB and for some reason MWBP is not letting me log on? Thanks

there is a new mwbp and you have to sign up again. It’s a new black and green 39 mti

https://www.midwestboatparty.com/fil...208&type=thumbhttps://www.midwestboatparty.com/fil...5&d=1602005742

The details are a bit murky... Sort of like the grounded Fountain a few months back. General synopsis of what people are discussing: is it may have been over trimmed, look at angle where the one motor is sitting? Owner???? Apparently didn't stick around to give an explanation?

I personally have no first hand info, only what I have read and talk on the street here locally.

Plenty of videos out there of cats rolling in turns. Again, since it happened at night one would think the speed wouldn’t have been as such to think blow over but hard to tell from just a couple of pics. My assumption was it rolled turning whether to avoid something or not. We all know what happens when you ASSume.

390X and only about a month and a half old. Saw it at the Texoma Throwdown. Bummer!

Slow speed rolls do occur with cats. Unlike a conventional V a cat is running on sponsons which by default slower speeds(contact with water) act like big rudders and can easily overtake the amount of force a rudder or drive can input into the equation, especially if motors trimmed in . If the weight shifts to the outside and the sponson (by nature of its shape from the bow or water conditions) begins to hook around the ability to correct becomes difficult. Most who run a cat have felt the little hook at one point or another. In racing we use this effect to do very sharp high speed turns, Trim tight and controlled hooking the boat. aka glory moves. You only get so many in your deck .. when you run out. your bank account pays the price.

The outboard Nortech that the driver and passenger died in on the Detroit River this summer also was described as rolling. No follow on information from that incident has been published.

Wrapped in police tape.

I just heard, as of today: the MO Water Patrol still has control of the boat pending investigation. The Tow Company is in possession of the boat and Owner has made contact. But no other info available.

what kind of boat was that one?

mti

That was a nortech center console that rolled on detroit river by belle isle, not a cat.

Nobody here has anything on lockdown. Th info was even thin when I was AT THE LAKE this past weekend.

As stated, what I know or heard was on FB and very limited. I will not assume anything that may prove to be true or false at this point.

What I did hear is, it was in the dark, he was alone, he is fine, and the boat has very minor damage beyond the motors.

Glad he's ok.

A roll at "night" speeds? Definitely more to the story here........

what do you mean by nobody has anything on lockdown?

On LOTO at night, probably a 50' SeaRay wake !! Sorry, can't resist that easy one.

I am just interested how do you leave Mo. and fly to Iowa with a $500,000.00 floating in the water.

That’s easy... have a lot of money.

Looks like a few gossip queens on this thread stirring it up! I’m relieved there were no serious injuries, but I could care less about the rest....it doesn’t involve me.

Here is a hypothetical question? If, the boat was a re-sale and the Original Owner was still officially on the title or Coast Guard Documentation and only a bill of sale was in play and not recorded, who actually is responsible for the boat?

Responsible for what?? I don't see any liability issues other than the recovery bill.

Who would be able to recover the boat? If the tow company was filing abandonment, who would be authorized to take possession once it is released by the WP? Theoretically if the new owner never started the process of transferring ownership, would it still be on the Original owner? I am not really sure the answer, because Maritime abandonment comes into play, by them leaving the boat behind. Doesn't the tow company upon recovery, have the opportunity to file for ownership? Is the boat being abandoned in the water different rules than being beached? Weird scenario?

OP stated that maybe someone at OSO/IB was keeping the story locked out here on the site

respectullly Greg I never made the statement that the incident was on lock down. I was just curious why an accident and abandonment would not be discussed on this site.


“. So is it the person or manufacturer or both that has the influence to keep this under the rug here or simply that no one knows or cares to comment? Is this now a taboo subject? Asking for a friend😬“

Also a “slow roll over” seems to be the ongoing message/conclusion as to how it ended upside down in the lake. I’ve also heard the boat was blown over.

If there is pics of the boat you will know if it was blown over or not more times than not.

Seems the norm around here

You gotta admit, its not every day someone dumps a half million dollar machine and just leaves...if that's the case.

I also suspect if this was some average Joe dumping a $75k Cafe and walking away the board would be roasting him.

You leave asap so you don't get a BUI heard that as a rumor

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On of the sponsons bow steers to the opposite side. Drives itself under the boat. Port sponson bow steers right or vice versa.

Back in 2009 in key west Aquamania a 50 turbine Mystic rolled over coming into the cranes going slow just dodging the jet ski tour it was a fluke but it happens.

I really don't care owns the boat. My issue is a boat floating at night. How about the poor guy that hits the boat in a bass boat.

Somebody F'd up. That's the story. Slow speed or whatever, confidence overcame ability in whatever the situation is. Why are we wanting to drag it out publicly since it is not what we would want to happen if we were in the situation? To better understand the dynamics of the hull? I call BS. Reminds of the media we complain about.

Here is the issue. Other people enjoy the hobby and other people like 36-39ft catamarans with 450's. While a lot of people have no issue boating without insurance, some of us enjoy sleeping well at night.
I am looking to buy a new 36-38ft cat with 450's right now. I am told the 500 or 525 outboard maybe due out in February. The initial conversation on insurance is not going well. Insurance companies enter markets based on exposure. So apparently the market has very few 450 outboard catamarans. So a $700k hit will wipe out the exposure to profit equation. So insurance for a 39ft MTI will probably go up 40%-60% after the increased exposure. Other operators/owners do not want to pay for nonsense or self insure.