Mandatory Kill Switch Use- anybody else see this??
03-12-2021 | 08:56 AM
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I have no issue with it. And I do see it as hard to enforce actual usage. But you better have it on the boat. It's kind of like if you happen to have an open beer near the driver's bolster and you get pulled over and boarded. As it's starting, you slide the beer over to a passenger. And you clip your lanyard on IF you don't have it on already. But once you are on plane, there is no reason for the driver/throttleman NOT to have it on.
I think if this does come into law; it's primarily going to be used to be enforced after an incident which a kill switch could have prevented property damage, injury, and/or death, to show the operator of the boat showed negligence in operation for not using the kill switch.
I think if this does come into law; it's primarily going to be used to be enforced after an incident which a kill switch could have prevented property damage, injury, and/or death, to show the operator of the boat showed negligence in operation for not using the kill switch.
03-12-2021 | 09:30 AM
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As a FF/EMT for 10 years, and someone who addresses, processes, and mitigates risks for a living...
...some oversight is OK in some areas. Obviously, we all have an opinion on where "some" starts and stops. Personally, I don't mind someone telling me to wear a lanyard, as I wear one anyway; even on the pontoon boat and my Mini Hawk with 25HP.
03-12-2021 | 09:35 AM
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Another, slightly related thought: Virginia recent passed some laws about when LEO can pull you over or not, tinted windows, expired inspection sticker, etc.
Let's make up a story and say a VA DGIF officer or similar sees the driver/operator of a boat waving with BOTH arms up, for whatever dumb reason, while the boat is on plane. Maybe he is giving the LEO the FU arm signal.
If the LEO does NOT see a lanyard on the wrist of the operator, I do NOT feel as though that's a reason to board the vessel. Why? Because I clip the lanyard to my belt loop or the bottom of my shorts.
Again, there are a goba-zillion what-ifs; just sharing that one.
Let's make up a story and say a VA DGIF officer or similar sees the driver/operator of a boat waving with BOTH arms up, for whatever dumb reason, while the boat is on plane. Maybe he is giving the LEO the FU arm signal.
If the LEO does NOT see a lanyard on the wrist of the operator, I do NOT feel as though that's a reason to board the vessel. Why? Because I clip the lanyard to my belt loop or the bottom of my shorts.
Again, there are a goba-zillion what-ifs; just sharing that one.
03-12-2021 | 12:21 PM
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Very sad way of thinking IMO. Way too much already..Chipping away, esp with things like this that will make absolutely no difference. Laws like this exist only to thicken the bureaucracy. Very today thinking tho I will admit, govt first, people and freedom(the dirty word) last.
03-12-2021 | 12:40 PM
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Very sad way of thinking IMO. Way too much already..Chipping away, esp with things like this that will make absolutely no difference. Laws like this exist only to thicken the bureaucracy. Very today thinking tho I will admit, govt first, people and freedom(the dirty word) last.
03-12-2021 | 12:50 PM
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I always wear my lanyard in the Cigarette. This is an issue that shouldn't be up for debate. Not because of personal freedoms, but the empty boat hauling ass around once you are ejected.
If a non-lanyard-wearing jack-wagon flies out of their boat and it continues on and hits my sh-t, we're gonna have a real problem (if they survived).
If a non-lanyard-wearing jack-wagon flies out of their boat and it continues on and hits my sh-t, we're gonna have a real problem (if they survived).
03-14-2021 | 07:49 AM
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I get where you are coming from, but it's not about ONLY your safety. It saves lives, yours, and others, just like seatbelts in cars; which has been law in all 50 states and beyond for years. Motorcycle mandatory helmet laws are really the only mandatory safety devices for YOUR protection, and no one else.
Boats, are really the only major vehicle category where an operator could become disabled, dislodged, or ejected, and the throttle still stays applied.
Such has been known to hurt, maim, and kill may people as a secondary incident.
Pardon the tangent, but follow along:
In theory, even you wearing your seatbelt in your car save my life; (just like the lanyard).
1) It prevents you from being ejected out of your vehicle and becoming a projectile. A projectile that could cause bodily harm or more.
2) It prevents you from becoming "something" I have to avoid with evasive action with my vehicle, after you've been ejected.
3) It could provide you the security to regain control and avoid a secondary impact (with my vehicle), if you have your seatbelt on, and stay conscious behind the controls (instead of displaced), you could potentially apply braking or steering inputs to avoid a secondary incident.
Boats, are really the only major vehicle category where an operator could become disabled, dislodged, or ejected, and the throttle still stays applied.
Such has been known to hurt, maim, and kill may people as a secondary incident.
Pardon the tangent, but follow along:
In theory, even you wearing your seatbelt in your car save my life; (just like the lanyard).
1) It prevents you from being ejected out of your vehicle and becoming a projectile. A projectile that could cause bodily harm or more.
2) It prevents you from becoming "something" I have to avoid with evasive action with my vehicle, after you've been ejected.
3) It could provide you the security to regain control and avoid a secondary impact (with my vehicle), if you have your seatbelt on, and stay conscious behind the controls (instead of displaced), you could potentially apply braking or steering inputs to avoid a secondary incident.
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03-14-2021 | 09:34 AM
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Your rationalizing of a centrally controlled society is just ridiculous and ignorant. Off course seat belts and lanyard make sense but endless bureaucracy to force, enforce, and control does not. Freedom, the word you obviously hate, like most libs. Laws like this have nothing to do with safety or what is "good" for society. Nothing.
I'm smart enough to make my own decisions.
Some are decent, some not so much.
I don't come here for these discussions. I'm out on this topic. Cheers!
