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TYPHOON 02-17-2021 01:20 PM

Gas prices $$
 
Gas in NJ is on its way up already $2.65 regular cash. Anyone want to guess what it will be in the summer? $3.85 will be my guess on July 4th as a summer date to see who was closest. We can use a USA average report on the 4th of July.

1MOSES1 02-17-2021 01:21 PM

Thank Biden!!!

hoodoo 02-17-2021 01:48 PM

Back to 2012 prices.
4$ national avg.
3.50 FL
4.20 Ca
is my guess

liberator221 02-17-2021 01:53 PM

Just the start of bad things that are coming!!
$15 minimum wage = drastic increase in cost of product and services.

1960brookwood 02-17-2021 02:53 PM

Not a surprise--most of the refineries and fracking operations shut down in Texas due to the cold.

1MOSES1 02-17-2021 10:33 PM

SB’s post got taken down...it was hilarious and sadly true.

SB 02-17-2021 10:41 PM

Wtf . Did some one report it ?
If so, whomever did you have no humor and pretty much a loser for doing so. Are ‘Orangeman bad’ jokes okay with you ?I hope you can find some peace in your life.

tlark 02-17-2021 11:35 PM

$2.31 in Missouri, Permian Basin has lost 1 million barrels a day or 40% of US production. Over-reliance on wind power and limits on nuclear have tripped the breakers down there in TX. Oil prices were bound to head up with the wu-han wearing out its welcome, we'll see what the drooling sock puppet Pres. mutters next!!! Move to outboards !!!!

jtbooten 02-18-2021 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by liberator221 (Post 4777871)
Just the start of bad things that are coming!!
$15 minimum wage = drastic increase in cost of product and services.

So many things I’d like to add to this but I’ll behave...
What will be the incentive to further education and work towards a job such as a medical assistant or CNA that makes under $15?

So I don’t get off topic... back to gas.
I saw diesel close to $3 per gallon yesterday... So in a few months, I could see gas being $4 and diesel over that.

Last year I topped off my Fountain for about $110. That will never happen again...
I’ll still boat. Other areas of the economy may see less of my money because it will be going to gas and diesel.

Helmwurst 02-18-2021 06:25 AM

3.85-4.20 on the water and about 3.20-3.50 on the road. Gas tax in MO is still reasonable. But, they are talking a 5 year plan of increases. No road tax on the water here. Oil is still going to get here, it will just come by train instead of pipeline and cost more. Sucks big time for the oil workers, who busted their asses off to get the pipeline working. A little ditty below about the oil movement on trains vs Pipeline.

KEYSTONE PIPELINE VS TRAIN TO MOVE OIL

1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.

1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB to Freeport, TX.



Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.

1MOSES1 02-18-2021 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by Helmwurst (Post 4777928)
3.85-4.20 on the water and about 3.20-3.50 on the road. Gas tax in MO is still reasonable. But, they are talking a 5 year plan of increases. No road tax on the water here. Oil is still going to get here, it will just come by train instead of pipeline and cost more. Sucks big time for the oil workers, who busted their asses off to get the pipeline working. A little ditty below about the oil movement on trains vs Pipeline.

KEYSTONE PIPELINE VS TRAIN TO MOVE OIL

1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.

1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB to Freeport, TX.



Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.

you don’t need to show us the math to understand that Biden is a moron...

Dean Ferry 02-18-2021 07:13 AM

Here last night, Raceway station, $2.59/87 octane, 10% Eth. I go to BJ's, use our BJ CC, (.10/gallon discount, $2.29/87 octane, 10% Eth), CRAZY part here is diesel is only $2.69/gal, only $0.10/gallon cheaper than gas....Thanks China Joe!

SB 02-18-2021 08:05 AM

Hey guys, be careful what you say about Biden even if totally true and known by everyone even by his voters, you will be censored on this site. Ridiculous. Lolololol

stealthfever 02-18-2021 08:12 AM

Could it be that Warren Buffet (who owns Burlington Northern RR) just MAY have contributed millions to a certain sleepy joe election fund. So there you have it, no pipe line but we do have a willing substitute. Right good old boy at work here.

endeavor1 02-18-2021 08:19 AM

^^^Bingo. I worked 18 years for the BNSF and was a company officer at the time of the Berkshire buy out. It was known that Buffet wanted the bnsf due to its position in the bakken and ability to move crude. Side note, not all crude by rail goes to Texas. I dealt with crude trains that were taken to trans load facility’s on the Mississippi River to be barged to refineries. Much cheaper to go by barge than rail.

Skater30 02-18-2021 08:29 AM

I'm sure we'll be back to $5.00 a gallon for crappy MTBE laden 91 octane on the water in California this Summer. It'll be a nice $1,200.00 bill to fill up the 36.........still way better than the $4,000.00 ($10.00 per gallon) it's going to cost to fill up the 46 with 110 race gas though!

sutphen 30 02-18-2021 08:50 AM


Originally Posted by Helmwurst (Post 4777928)
3.85-4.20 on the water and about 3.20-3.50 on the road. Gas tax in MO is still reasonable. But, they are talking a 5 year plan of increases. No road tax on the water here. Oil is still going to get here, it will just come by train instead of pipeline and cost more. Sucks big time for the oil workers, who busted their asses off to get the pipeline working. A little ditty below about the oil movement on trains vs Pipeline.

KEYSTONE PIPELINE VS TRAIN TO MOVE OIL

1 Train has 100 cars, 2 engines and weighs 27,240,000 LBS.

1 Train carries 3,000,000 gallons of oil.

1 train uses 55.5 gallons of diesel per mile.

It takes 119,000 gallons of diesel to go 2150 miles from Hardidsy, AB to Freeport, TX.



Keystone pipeline was to deliver 34,860,000 gallons of oil per day.

It would take 12 trains and 1,428,000 gallons of diesel to deliver that amount. PER DAY!

521,220,000 gallons of diesel per year.

plus it makes buffet richer,,just a nice little hand out to a biden donor.

sutphen 30 02-18-2021 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by stealthfever (Post 4777940)
Could it be that Warren Buffet (who owns Burlington Northern RR) just MAY have contributed millions to a certain sleepy joe election fund. So there you have it, no pipe line but we do have a willing substitute. Right good old boy at work here.


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4777942)
^^^Bingo. I worked 18 years for the BNSF and was a company officer at the time of the Berkshire buy out. It was known that Buffet wanted the bnsf due to its position in the bakken and ability to move crude. Side note, not all crude by rail goes to Texas. I dealt with crude trains that were taken to trans load facility’s on the Mississippi River to be barged to refineries. Much cheaper to go by barge than rail.

I see I'm not the only one that knew what was going on.

Eddienel 02-18-2021 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4777938)
Hey guys, be careful what you say about Biden even if totally true and known by everyone even by his voters, you will be censored on this site. Ridiculous. Lolololol

Damn it SB im sorry I missed your post. On a side note I have a friend that works for the border patrol in Texas. The first week He was in office his administration told the officers they could not detail any illegals. Just send them back. We are going to be flooded with illegals which means lots of Americans of all backgrounds are going to be out of work. Maybe I should buy stock in Western Union because illegals send most of their earnings back to Mexico.

Gas average here is 2.39 and climbing. Back in the last recession I think the highest we saw was around 3.13

Canuck B Crazy 02-18-2021 09:33 AM

Its $1.43 per liter near my new house. New town has a transit tax on their gas that my soon to be old town doesn't have. Its $1.24 per liter here in soon to be old hood. Only moving to a city next door. Our moron Trudeau also brought in a carbon tax on top of our moron provincial governments carbon tax. Gas will be expensive this summer!

Eddienel 02-18-2021 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Canuck B Crazy (Post 4777949)
Its $1.43 per liter near my new house. New town has a transit tax on their gas that my soon to be old town doesn't have. Its $1.24 per liter here in soon to be old hood. Only moving to a city next door. Our moron Trudeau also brought in a carbon tax on top of our moron provincial governments carbon tax. Gas will be expensive this summer!

It won't be too much longer we will be taxed on our tax. I see cash going up in value real soon. People are fixing to get to the point that they are going to do anything they can to screw the people who are screwing them.

Keith Atlanta 02-18-2021 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by Canuck B Crazy (Post 4777949)
Its $1.43 per liter near my new house. New town has a transit tax on their gas that my soon to be old town doesn't have. Its $1.24 per liter here in soon to be old hood. Only moving to a city next door. Our moron Trudeau also brought in a carbon tax on top of our moron provincial governments carbon tax. Gas will be expensive this summer!

So, did shutting down the XL Pipeline screw you guys? Or doesnt it make a difference? Ive heard it both ways...

PA.WOODCHUCK 02-18-2021 10:38 AM

Isn't gas/fuel/oil more controlled by crude on the world market supply and demand? According to this 1 year ago it was $114 and $61 today barrel. I don't like gas prices but we been through this before...

crude oil price - Bing

PA.WOODCHUCK 02-18-2021 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by Canuck B Crazy (Post 4777949)
Its $1.43 per liter near my new house. New town has a transit tax on their gas that my soon to be old town doesn't have. Its $1.24 per liter here in soon to be old hood. Only moving to a city next door. Our moron Trudeau also brought in a carbon tax on top of our moron provincial governments carbon tax. Gas will be expensive this summer!


How much tax per liter? Here in Pennsylvania we pay federal 18.4, state 58.7 cents per gallon. Total is 77.1

hoodoo 02-18-2021 11:16 AM

[QUOTE=Eddienel;4777948] Maybe I should buy stock in Western Union because illegals send most of their earnings back to Mexico.

Income derived from Mexican national’s working in the US is a significant component of the Mexican economy. I’ve been using the h2a visa farm workers for the last 10 yrs and they send it all home except food $$. The 30 yrs prior I worked domestic illegals who would send some $$ back but their gimmick was/is to buy a house for cash and smuggle in 15-20 family members from Oaxaca.
Back to the gas, maybe I’m missing something but is there some high tech aspect to the wind/solar sector? Historically haven’t all major industrial advancements occurred because of technological breakthroughs. Seems like trying to do fine engraving with a chisel and a hammer when it takes 30+ acres of solar panels to provide elec for 1000 homes and that doesn’t include industrial power it takes to stock those homes with appliances, furniture, etc.



Keith Atlanta 02-18-2021 11:26 AM


Originally Posted by PA.WOODCHUCK (Post 4777958)
How much tax per liter? Here in Pennsylvania we pay federal 18.4, state 58.7 cents per gallon. Total is 77.1

Thats specifically what I hate about fuel price and fuel tax. The Democratic party is supposedly for the little guy, fuel cost is one of the things that makes a huge impact on the little guy IMHO.

I dont ever notice fuel prices or the charge on my card but I do remember maxing out gas pumps at $75 and only have 2/3 of a tank.... I noticed that!

But hey, if people make $15 an hour it wont matter! (sarcasm)

Pismo10 02-18-2021 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by 1960brookwood (Post 4777876)
Not a surprise--most of the refineries and fracking operations shut down in Texas due to the cold.

This is NOT why prices are up.

1960brookwood 02-18-2021 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by Pismo10 (Post 4777987)
This is NOT why prices are up.

Care to enlighten us???

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN2AF1QV

lightning jet 02-18-2021 01:26 PM

There goes the dollar menu !

Pismo10 02-18-2021 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by 1960brookwood (Post 4777988)


Oil has been rising steadily since Oct/Nov, long before any storms in Texas..

PA.WOODCHUCK 02-18-2021 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by Pismo10 (Post 4777999)
Oil has been rising steadily since Oct/Nov, long before any storms in Texas..

Ours(PA) has been going up for past 4-5 months, but hasn't jumped since texas storm related failures. I'm sure it's reason to raise ASAP.

1MOSES1 02-18-2021 05:10 PM

Not sure what the government doesn’t understand about oil...the world is going electric and towards renewable energy.

why on earth doesn’t the US sell all the oil now while it’s worth something and invest in electricity and renewable energy. otherwise we continue to sit on it...until it’s worth nothing and sell it for pennies on the dollar. Business 101.

If the Middle East understand this concept...why don’t we. Major players in Dubai have been buying solar companies, tesla, and other energies knowing this is the future.

Quinlan 02-19-2021 06:24 AM

There are so many other items that crude is used for( plastics being the main one) that it will be a few life times before the world is Off crude.
There was little to no demand during the lockdowns and no fly is why fuel prices went so low. Now demand is going up fast as we get back to the New normal.
And as for Keystone- the XL was just a branch off of the main line correct?? I think it is still pumping that chit sand oil down to LA for export to China.

And I say use all the Arab oil we can and then when it gets stupid we still have North American oil and CNG.
Remember in the late 90's- the big scare- When the World Runs OUT of OIL lol
As for Green Energy- this winter just crushed that chit- CNG will be a big player for a long time for electrical energy production. And the US has a large chunk and little infrastructure to capture-(read MORE pipeline Jobs) we just flare it off at a lot of well heads.
Just my opinion sitting here in fukin Alaska/homa I hate Winter.


lightning jet 02-19-2021 11:07 AM

They were on they down before the woo flu there going to stick to us this to pay the gender research money we sent to afganistain lol

1MOSES1 02-19-2021 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Quinlan (Post 4778072)
There are so many other items that crude is used for( plastics being the main one) that it will be a few life times before the world is Off crude.
There was little to no demand during the lockdowns and no fly is why fuel prices went so low. Now demand is going up fast as we get back to the New normal.
And as for Keystone- the XL was just a branch off of the main line correct?? I think it is still pumping that chit sand oil down to LA for export to China.

And I say use all the Arab oil we can and then when it gets stupid we still have North American oil and CNG.
Remember in the late 90's- the big scare- When the World Runs OUT of OIL lol
As for Green Energy- this winter just crushed that chit- CNG will be a big player for a long time for electrical energy production. And the US has a large chunk and little infrastructure to capture-(read MORE pipeline Jobs) we just flare it off at a lot of well heads.
Just my opinion sitting here in fukin Alaska/homa I hate Winter.

i guess it depends on what your definition of “off” crude oil means...Lets face it, transports is the biggest consumer.

I think within the next 15-20 years we will see major changes in these industries as trucks and cars are converted to cheaper options. Heck companies are working on commercial electric airplanes.

sure other industries use it...plastics etc. but even those industries are converting using new processes, recycled goods, etc.

fact is crude oil is pricing itself out of many industries and companies have been investing in alternatives for a while. Crude oil independence will be here before you know it.

which is the reason we should sell it now and start investing in the future.

liberator221 02-19-2021 03:09 PM

We have an electric school bus. This technology is a LONG way from being dependable and reasonable. Range is only 70-100 miles depending on weather and load. Cost is 4 times that of a diesel powered unit.

outonsafari 02-20-2021 06:30 AM

How many times being lied to does it take ?

let me splain this entire situation another way;

----your hard earned money is the hi end painted and gel coated surface on your pride and joy boat.

----what always happens when a democrat is in office is a scratch right to the resin.

How many scratches do you want?

I mean one scratch and your like FACH-A-ME-RUNNIN right ?

Don't you from that first scratch throw the bumpers out, or do you think nah it won't scratch me again it's only looking out for and doing what's best as a whole!

Helmwurst 02-20-2021 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by endeavor1 (Post 4777942)
^^^Bingo. I worked 18 years for the BNSF and was a company officer at the time of the Berkshire buy out. It was known that Buffet wanted the bnsf due to its position in the bakken and ability to move crude. Side note, not all crude by rail goes to Texas. I dealt with crude trains that were taken to trans load facility’s on the Mississippi River to be barged to refineries. Much cheaper to go by barge than rail.

Oh , I got even better stats on using water shipments. It will make your head explode !

Dean Ferry 02-20-2021 07:54 AM

Diesel has gone up 0.30/gallon in the past 2 days here! Grrrrrrrrrr.

liberator221 02-20-2021 08:11 AM

Just read an article that said “the Biden boom is just around the corner, economy is going to take off like gangbusters. Great times ahead”
where do the libs dig these people up?
I’m thinking the Biden bust is coming.... but what do I know?!


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