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thirdchildhood 06-26-2021 07:27 AM

[QUOTE=SB;4795103]Bamm !

You're letting him off too easy!

Baja Rooster 06-26-2021 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by rak rua (Post 4795089)

Correct.

thirdchildhood 06-26-2021 01:44 PM

That's the one in the videos. https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating...alifornia.html

nautdesign1 06-28-2021 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by B38 (Post 4794973)
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That is not repairable. Cold joint repair will never be safe again. Hull / deck are still available NEW.

Why do some people feel the need to make factual statements which imply expertise when in reality they don’t have a clue. With proper scarf ratios, modern epoxies, reinforcements and proper execution, the repair can be stronger than the original glass/poly laminate. The risk is making the repair too stiff/strong and creating a hinge point where the original laminate fails further along the hull. The reality is E-Glass/Polyester have relatively poor fatigue performance so these old boats (which have a history of fatigue inducing operation) are running time bombs. Vinylester is a bit better but if you want a fatigue resistant hull, go epoxy and a moderate modulus carbon with selective use of S-Glass and Kevlar. In addition to the weight savings, Carbon/Epoxy laminates have extraordinary fatigue performance. That’s yet another reason modern commercial aircraft are moving to these structures.



ND1


B38 06-29-2021 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by nautdesign1 (Post 4795291)
Why do some people feel the need to make factual statements which imply expertise when in reality they don’t have a clue. With proper scarf ratios, modern epoxies, reinforcements and proper execution, the repair can be stronger than the original glass/poly laminate. The risk is making the repair too stiff/strong and creating a hinge point where the original laminate fails further along the hull. The reality is E-Glass/Polyester have relatively poor fatigue performance so these old boats (which have a history of fatigue inducing operation) are running time bombs. Vinylester is a bit better but if you want a fatigue resistant hull, go epoxy and a moderate modulus carbon with selective use of S-Glass and Kevlar. In addition to the weight savings, Carbon/Epoxy laminates have extraordinary fatigue performance. That’s yet another reason modern commercial aircraft are moving to these structures.



ND1

Never speak about others that you have no fricken clue about.
Yes it can be repaired, as most normal minded person would never trust that structure from future stress cracks. I have seen many repairs in my day, always shows up in years to come.
Try selling that boat repaired , funny someone stated it will ad to it's heritage. Fricken helarious.
Remember all the Calen marine cat, first cat to 204 mph, then shredded right side and peeled like a banana back towards transomtransom. Mystic could have fixed till they found severe structural damage.
my friend owns it. Come on and fix thatPOS. It's all repairable right. My @ss.
My 2 cents

Stuckonstupid 06-29-2021 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by B38 (Post 4795416)
Never speak about others that you have no fricken clue about.
Yes it can be repaired, as most normal minded person would never trust that structure from future stress cracks. I have seen many repairs in my day, always shows up in years to come.
Try selling that boat repaired , funny someone stated it will ad to it's heritage. Fricken helarious.
Remember all the Calen marine cat, first cat to 204 mph, then shredded right side and peeled like a banana back towards transomtransom. Mystic could have fixed till they found severe structural damage.
my friend owns it. Come on and fix thatPOS. It's all repairable right. My @ss.
My 2 cents

POS? Wow, that statement is hIlarious.

Bad Ass TA WS6 06-29-2021 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by B38 (Post 4795416)
Never speak about others that you have no fricken clue about.
Yes it can be repaired, as most normal minded person would never trust that structure from future stress cracks. I have seen many repairs in my day, always shows up in years to come.
Try selling that boat repaired , funny someone stated it will ad to it's heritage. Fricken helarious.
Remember all the Calen marine cat, first cat to 204 mph, then shredded right side and peeled like a banana back towards transomtransom. Mystic could have fixed till they found severe structural damage.
my friend owns it. Come on and fix thatPOS. It's all repairable right. My @ss.
My 2 cents

Its only 10:58AM, you been drinkin?

ThisIsLivin 06-29-2021 01:38 PM

After looking at these I am thanking my Guardian Angel. I had to get a 16' Larson back to the harbor when a storm blew up on Lake Huron. I was going against 10-12' waves for 2 miles. Fortunately I had plenty of power and the boat handled it well. Of course while I was 100 yards outside the harbor I lost throttle control. All the motor mounts broke in the outboard and the screw for the throttle cable shook loose. But I made it back and not even a gel crack anywhere on that boat. I've also been out in 8' with my 280 Velocity. After watching the Donzi video I won't do that again. I had the boat so far off the water my wife could see the entire boat above the break wall of the harbor. Maybe I need to take it a little easier.

CT River Baja 06-29-2021 07:47 PM

Thats not just any boat. With its History id bet money it gets repaired.

ironhead 06-29-2021 08:51 PM

it there was a price tag on it to sell ill buy , i love my 41

speicher lane 06-29-2021 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by ironhead (Post 4795482)
it there was a price tag on it to sell ill buy , i love my 41

After 15 years of seller's remorse and FINALLY getting the 47 back, I'm sure there is a plan to repair it.

cheech 06-29-2021 10:09 PM


Originally Posted by B38 (Post 4795416)
Try selling that boat repaired , funny someone stated it will ad to it's heritage.

I agree, I don't think the heritage will go through.
But, IMO the subject boat of this thread will sell like toilet paper during Covid, whether its broke, repaired, or whatever.

Interceptor 06-29-2021 10:38 PM

Sometimes a Curriculum Vitae should accompany a post.

Helmwurst 06-30-2021 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4795103)

Hey! Is that Spicoly narrating in the background ?

thirdchildhood 06-30-2021 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by ThisIsLivin (Post 4795449)
After looking at these I am thanking my Guardian Angel. I had to get a 16' Larson back to the harbor when a storm blew up on Lake Huron. I was going against 10-12' waves for 2 miles. Fortunately I had plenty of power and the boat handled it well. Of course while I was 100 yards outside the harbor I lost throttle control. All the motor mounts broke in the outboard and the screw for the throttle cable shook loose. But I made it back and not even a gel crack anywhere on that boat. I've also been out in 8' with my 280 Velocity. After watching the Donzi video I won't do that again. I had the boat so far off the water my wife could see the entire boat above the break wall of the harbor. Maybe I need to take it a little easier.

And I thought I had some crazy adventures to relate With my 22' Donzi Classic on Lakes Huron, Erie, St. Clair and connecting rivers. Glad you made it home. Apparently not an open bow boat!


Originally Posted by Helmwurst (Post 4795539)
Hey! Is that Spicoly narrating in the background ?

That's the surfer dude commentary. Priceless!

Pro1 06-30-2021 09:14 AM

New boats with foam stringers and transoms are already there in a year.

Interceptor 06-30-2021 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by ThisIsLivin (Post 4795449)
After looking at these I am thanking my Guardian Angel. I had to get a 16' Larson back to the harbor when a storm blew up on Lake Huron. I was going against 10-12' waves for 2 miles. Fortunately I had plenty of power and the boat handled it well. Of course while I was 100 yards outside the harbor I lost throttle control. All the motor mounts broke in the outboard and the screw for the throttle cable shook loose. But I made it back and not even a gel crack anywhere on that boat. I've also been out in 8' with my 280 Velocity. After watching the Donzi video I won't do that again. I had the boat so far off the water my wife could see the entire boat above the break wall of the harbor. Maybe I need to take it a little easier.

Lake Michigan gets most of the big water discussion but Huron is just as nasty.

phragle 06-30-2021 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bad Ass TA WS6 (Post 4795436)
Its only 10:58AM, you been drinkin?

And whats the matter with day drinking?? I regularly pour Capt Morgan on my Capt Crunch, then its smooth sailing by 9:15 am daily !!!! You freaking lightweights need to man up to the bar !!!

(ok, it helps to lower the bar,...but still)​​​​​​​


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