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37 foot Outboard Cat from Outerlimits
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Looks like a victory copy
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No offense, I get the positives. But these gosh damn OB cats are becoming so old. They are now just lame as heck to me!! I’m sick of them, they aren’t loud, Merc 700s sound amazing and are still faster, and IMO more reliable with M6s. No broken gear cases, prop shafts etc. and don’t forget you break a prop shaft you lose a 3-5k propeller!!
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Originally Posted by precisiondetails
(Post 4800477)
No offense, I get the positives. But these gosh damn OB cats are becoming so old. They are now just lame as heck to me!! I’m sick of them, they aren’t loud, Merc 700s sound amazing and are still faster, and IMO more reliable with M6s. No broken gear cases, prop shafts etc. and don’t forget you break a prop shaft you lose a 3-5k propeller!!
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Originally Posted by flat rate
(Post 4800470)
Looks like a victory copy
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Interesting comments ... never owned an I/O cat, but now I want to ..... LOL
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I can not imagine docking a boat with no rub rail at a piling type dock in the wind with a tide ripping. That has to be nerve racking.
You can never even pre position the fenders since you don't know where the piling will be. |
They are all starting to look the same. Lame
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Originally Posted by precisiondetails
(Post 4800477)
No offense, I get the positives. But these gosh damn OB cats are becoming so old. They are now just lame as heck to me!! I’m sick of them, they aren’t loud, Merc 700s sound amazing and are still faster, and IMO more reliable with M6s. No broken gear cases, prop shafts etc. and don’t forget you break a prop shaft you lose a 3-5k propeller!!
But on that topic, I totally agree. Nothing accelerates or handles like a properly setup I/O boat. There's a reason they dont race against each other. They're all nice boats...but the idea that outboards are bulletproof is a myth. Maybe Im just old school, but if I had to have an outbard cat it'd be a 28 Skater with twin 2.5OS or a 32 with 3 of them...now THOSE were outboards! |
Yeah those V hull's, darn near every one a derivative of Aronow heritage, don't all look the same :rolleyes:
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Not even close :bong:
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Well sh*t, let me call Dan and get on the list. That's a damn fine Cat.
Some of the comments in this thread are funny. Outboards vs Inboard reliability? Not even close. I've owned both. Everyone I know who owns both feels the same as I do. The cool factor of big inboard power cannot be beaten. But if you want to not worry about damn near anything and still go 85+ (Think Nortech 390 etc.) or even 120+ (MTI 340/390x, etc.) then the comparison ends. Outboards win. If you actually wish to exceed 130 mph, then inboards are the way to go. I still think Inboards are way cooler, faster, and better sounding etc. but at the end of the day, our time is valuable and outboards mean you'll spend MUCH less time working on anything or out of commission waiting for some shop to fix your boat. |
To clarify my comment- I don’t think they are bad boats. I think they are great, and this OL looks spectacular. I was really meaning just they are a dime a dozen now. Every new performance boat is built around them now. It’s getting old to me. Nothing more nothing less!
Meaning the type of boat is getting boring. It’s like if everyone was driving a Tesla. Oh wait I live in Cali and they are everywhere. Cool car but yawn. I hope I’m making some sense. Lol everyone have a great safe weekend. Cheers |
Originally Posted by TeamSaris
(Post 4800541)
Nothing accelerates or handles like a properly setup I/O boat. There's a reason they dont race against each other. They're all nice boats...but the idea that outboards are bulletproof is a myth.
Originally Posted by precisiondetails
(Post 4800477)
Merc 700s sound amazing and are still faster, and IMO more reliable with M6s. No broken gear cases, prop shafts etc. and don’t forget you break a prop shaft you lose a 3-5k propeller!!
1) My 450 cat would KILL my 700 Skater from 0-100. And runs 131, the Skater ran 135. So, I am fairly confident we would have to run a significant distance for the 700 boat to sniff my rooster in the MTI. 2) The OB boat would also turn inside any turn the Skater could do. 3) We ran nearly 100 hrs(98) in the MTI in just less than a year. We ran 92 in the Skater in 3 yrs. 2 oil changes/services in the 450s. Zero problems. The 700s were nearly as good, only one fuel pump and one power steering pump. The problem with that was both problems happened in the MIDDLE of the the KW Poker run and left the boat stranded for at least one day each time. Plus the oil/drive services were adding up and the time we spent out of warranty was at least mildly stressful. No worries in the 450 boat. EIGHT yr warranty if I prefer. 4) If you do break a lower or shaft, and the MERCURY prop falls off, it's covered. So the expense is still zero to the 450 owner. I have more if you need it. And that OL has absolutely great lines. It should be a great seller. I am sure more than a few of those OL I/O guys are already in line. :drink: |
Greg- like I said plenty of positives. To each is own… for me they are just getting old. But I get it- there is a reason for it. They just don’t really do it for me.
then again, as a entry level cat like an M28 for me- it’s a no brainer. I just don’t go to bed at night dreaming of an OB boat. That’s just me. PS- the new OB boats still aren’t cheap. |
Originally Posted by precisiondetails
(Post 4800644)
Greg- like I said plenty of positives. To each is own… for me they are just getting old. But I get it- there is a reason for it. They just don’t really do it for me.
then again, as a entry level cat like an M28 for me- it’s a no brainer. I just don’t go to bed at night dreaming of an OB boat. That’s just me. PS- the new OB boats still aren’t cheap. |
Don’t let the facts get in the way from people that actually own an outboard cat. I can say that our Skater and the MTIs I’ve been in are awesome.
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May resemble a victory slightly but I see a lot of their I/O cat lines in this OB cat. Very sharp and unique looking as far as the OB cats go.
Off topic but the warranties are great and all but how long is it taking to actually get warrantied parts? Then you’re at the mercy of a shops time to install those parts? |
The only thing I am not hip to is how court down the front sponsons are of some on the outboard cats out there. Watching the haulover vids it looks like the are going to stuff. I get it’s probably needed to reduce weight and increase line of sight. Just not sure how that would work on big water on Lake Erie. Just my 2cents
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Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4800689)
The only thing I am not hip to is how court down the front sponsons are of some on the outboard cats out there. Watching the haulover vids it looks like the are going to stuff. I get it’s probably needed to reduce weight and increase line of sight. Just not sure how that would work on big water on Lake Erie. Just my 2cents
and here we go with the big water conversation....... lol JK |
Originally Posted by J-Bonz
(Post 4800689)
The only thing I am not hip to is how court down the front sponsons are of some on the outboard cats out there. Watching the haulover vids it looks like the are going to stuff. I get it’s probably needed to reduce weight and increase line of sight. Just not sure how that would work on big water on Lake Erie. Just my 2cents
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For anyone interested in a bit more information, https://www.speedonthewater.com/grea...-hits-125-mph/.
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The article states "Why would you order an outboard cat that needs a tilt trailer?" In what world are you guys living in that DOT isn't stopping trailers with objects on them 10'1" wide? Thousands of dollars for the permits to tow these things and only being allowed to tow between dusk and dawn. It doesn't seem like boating with them at this width would be still be fun. Maybe those who buy them just pay someone else to tow them around? Please educate me.
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Originally Posted by TopSpin80
(Post 4800716)
The article states "Why would you order an outboard cat that needs a tilt trailer?" In what world are you guys living in that DOT isn't stopping trailers with objects on them 10'1" wide? Thousands of dollars for the permits to tow these things and only being allowed to tow between dusk and dawn. It doesn't seem like boating with them at this width would be still be fun. Maybe those who buy them just pay someone else to tow them around? Please educate me.
Now I have a 10' MTI. Also flat trailer. GMC AT 1500 as the tow vehicle. Trailer only needs two axles so it seems small, even though it obviously is not. Zero issues. I will have a new boat in 2022, and it will likely ne 10-6 or more in width. It will also likely start out on a flat trailer. I do want to add a tilt eventually, but pennies and build times will keep that out a bit for timeframe. |
There's room for both I/Os and outboards, if you don't like one then get the other. Personally if I were in the market for this type of boat I'd not even consider I/Os.
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It’s a great looking ob cat.
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Originally Posted by Cash Bar
(Post 4800635)
I will politely disagree gentlemen. As someone that has owned similar-sized 700/6 and 450 cats, I can actually comment with some perspective.
1) My 450 cat would KILL my 700 Skater from 0-100. And runs 131, the Skater ran 135. So, I am fairly confident we would have to run a significant distance for the 700 boat to sniff my rooster in the MTI. 2) The OB boat would also turn inside any turn the Skater could do. 3) We ran nearly 100 hrs(98) in the MTI in just less than a year. We ran 92 in the Skater in 3 yrs. 2 oil changes/services in the 450s. Zero problems. The 700s were nearly as good, only one fuel pump and one power steering pump. The problem with that was both problems happened in the MIDDLE of the the KW Poker run and left the boat stranded for at least one day each time. Plus the oil/drive services were adding up and the time we spent out of warranty was at least mildly stressful. No worries in the 450 boat. EIGHT yr warranty if I prefer. 4) If you do break a lower or shaft, and the MERCURY prop falls off, it's covered. So the expense is still zero to the 450 owner. I have more if you need it. And that OL has absolutely great lines. It should be a great seller. I am sure more than a few of those OL I/O guys are already in line. :drink: But yes I do miss the sound, for the first hour. |
Originally Posted by McKay
(Post 4800894)
This, I am also in a 37 cat with 450's this year and got out of a 700 cat last year that we had for 3 years. It just makes boating so much more effortless with outboards. Already at 50 hours in our 450 boat and only had it 2.5 months and still have a couple big trips still left to go. I'm not sure exactly how we rack up the hours so much more than the I/O boats. I think the most I put on the 700 boat was 45 in a season. I think it was 115 hours in the 3 years we owned it. I'm sure we will far surpass that in our first year with the outboards.
But yes I do miss the sound, for the first hour. |
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Cash, When you think its the proper time, please share with us your next cat boat . |
Originally Posted by noli
(Post 4800907)
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Cash, When you think its the proper time, please share with us your next cat boat . But, until then, I will read and absorb all that the people with the real info can share. If I have a question about something, usually SOTW or one of the actual builders have the answer. Until then, it's all just guessing and "I heard" comments. . |
Originally Posted by cash bar
(Post 4800903)
what boat do you have now?
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Cash, Hows about an MTI 43 with twin 450's yours will be the first 43 OB give up a little on the top-end but what a wave crusher that will be . |
Originally Posted by McKay
(Post 4800944)
m37r
Hope to catch up one day. LOTO this month or Havasu in April. Enjoy! |
Originally Posted by Cash Bar
(Post 4800954)
They sure build an great boat. For a company known for "fit and finish" it sure runs well.
Hope to catch up one day. LOTO this month or Havasu in April. Enjoy! No LOTO this year for us. We have 10 days booked in Disco Bay for the same time. We might send the boat out to Florida in November for 4-6 months. Might pick your brain as it gets closer as I see you spend a lot of time there. |
Originally Posted by McKay
(Post 4800963)
Where enjoying it. But it’s our first true tunnel so don’t have any other reference other than short rides in other true tunnels.
No LOTO this year for us. We have 10 days booked in Disco Bay for the same time. We might send the boat out to Florida in November for 4-6 months. Might pick your brain as it gets closer as I see you spend a lot of time there. |
Originally Posted by McKay
(Post 4800963)
Where enjoying it. But it’s our first true tunnel so don’t have any other reference other than short rides in other true tunnels.
No LOTO this year for us. We have 10 days booked in Disco Bay for the same time. We might send the boat out to Florida in November for 4-6 months. Might pick your brain as it gets closer as I see you spend a lot of time there. |
Originally Posted by precisiondetails
(Post 4800978)
Are you going to be at the Big Cat Poker Run?
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Originally Posted by McKay
(Post 4801016)
No going after. Not big poker run people. Not totally opposed to them but only do maybe 1-2 a year. Our favorite days on the water is when we see no one but our immediate friends with us. Try and do a lot of miles in a day, and most poker runs we have done are not about that.
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