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Old 10-27-2021 | 09:17 AM
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Water temperature at Traverse City is just under 60F currently. Wife swam briefly in Lake Michigan two weeks ago and it was mid 60F. Yes the air temp is in the 30to 50F range. Most fishermen now wear snowmobile type suits which could get water logged and also make re-boarding nearly impossible. The lady was lucky.
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Old 10-27-2021 | 09:58 AM
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We have had nation wide seat belt laws for years and they have been rolling out cars like the New ZO6 with 670hp , the Dodge Demon , Porsche turbo cars and the Nissan GTR every year with more Hp. All seat belts do is save lives and when lives get saved things are cheaper to insure. Big hp boats are crazy to insure because they get wrecked and people die with regularity. If wearing something as simple as a tether would save my life or a passangers life im game and if mandatory tethers saved lives and insurance was cheaper I'm all for it and if people were to stop posting about friends who got injured or killed by using some simple technology I'm all for that too.
Seat belts and tethers are totally different. We don't need any laws requiring either!

Big HP boats at considerable speed that lose control, be it V that gets sideways or a cat that catches air.
A tether isn't going to do a damn thing to prevent the blunt force trauma you're going to endure and the lack of capability to swim afterwards.

Certain "lower" speed situations where you're thrown from the boat without the trauma, of course a tether is going to keep the boat from coming back on ya if you're in the water and from hitting other boats or structures.
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Old 10-27-2021 | 10:59 AM
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did he have a mask on?
Old 10-27-2021 | 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by carnutsx2
We have had nation wide seat belt laws for years and they have been rolling out cars like the New ZO6 with 670hp , the Dodge Demon , Porsche turbo cars and the Nissan GTR every year with more Hp. All seat belts do is save lives and when lives get saved things are cheaper to insure. Big hp boats are crazy to insure because they get wrecked and people die with regularity. If wearing something as simple as a tether would save my life or a passangers life im game and if mandatory tethers saved lives and insurance was cheaper I'm all for it and if people were to stop posting about friends who got injured or killed by using some simple technology I'm all for that too.
you know , health insurance would be cheaper too if we banned the consumption of alcohol. one little law here, one little law there and the next thing you know all your freedom is gone and i'll bet you your insurance is still sky high.
Old 10-27-2021 | 12:10 PM
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you know , health insurance would be cheaper too if we banned the consumption of alcohol. one little law here, one little law there and the next thing you know all your freedom is gone and i'll bet you your insurance is still sky high.
BINGO! 2 weeks to flatten the curve.
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Old 10-27-2021 | 12:48 PM
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when i was younger i was more liberal. now that i'm wiser and 55 years old i realized that the LESS government is in my life the better. we have way to many laws as it is.

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Old 10-27-2021 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by offshoredrillin
did he have a mask on?
Well played.

As a marine journalist, I'm not in favor of legislating lanyards. I think it's pointless and for the most part unenforceable. But if you get tossed out of your boat and you're not wearing a lanyard and your boat motors on to kill or seriously injure someone, I have no problem with you being charged with criminal negligence and being prosecuted to the extent of the law (if such a thing is a possible—I'm not a lawyer). If you drown, I don't care. You made that choice.

Personal liberty and personal responsibility are two-way streets.
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Well played.

I have no problem with you being charged with criminal negligence and being prosecuted to the extent of the law . If you drown, I don't care. You made that choice.

Personal liberty and personal responsibility are two-way streets.
exactly, be responsible for your actions, they have consequences.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SABER28
look i'm all for kill switches and seatbelts etc. i see the benefits of seatbelts in collisions everyday.

however i'm strongly against government forcing people to do things. you know the next step in safety could be mandatory rpm limits on your boat to limit its speed. all in the name of safety.
100% agree! We have WAY too many laws as it is.
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Old 10-28-2021 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SABER28
when i was younger i was more liberal. now that i'm wiser and 55 years old i realized that the LESS government is in my life the better. we have way to many laws as it is.
Well, in your defense the term "liberal" has changed dramatically over the years. A real/classic liberal is all about individual freedom and civil liberties.
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