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Markus 06-02-2023 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Indy (Post 4869239)
I think most of it comes down to how you run it. If you're pushing the envelope you open yourself to things that happen on that edge. If you run it as if I were driving it you'll never come near getting in any more trouble than running any other boat lol 😜

Yep. You can run an inboard cat very loose, too.

Check out the Alcone 46 Skater in the Class 1 race at Arendal, Norway.

compedgemarine 06-02-2023 07:54 AM

cats have to have air under them. in the video he is not going fast enough to air it out. once you hit the mid 70's she lifts up and starts gaining speed again. cats are not good "ride around and 50mph" boats. in that water he could cruise at 80 and she would air out and run smooth.
I was the crew chief on the Alcone boat for all but the first year he raced. I was there in Arendal setting the boat up. In testing I ran it to 164 in Sarasota bay with the open class engines.

TeamSaris 06-02-2023 08:29 AM

bang for buck its really, really hard to beat a 36 Spectre.
Dollar for speed its really hard to beat a 32B Skater.
Ultimate while still having a budget its really hard to beat a 36 Skater in anything.

DRAG 06-02-2023 10:12 AM

Know when to run 5/10ths, when to run 8/10ths, and when to run 10/10ths. Just like any boat, you can get into trouble if you aren't within your limits. You can lose control of a V if it has some go and is up on top of the water.

I've almost dumped my 18 foot aluminum fishing boat at 45mph trimmed out hitting a wave goofy.

compedgemarine 06-02-2023 10:23 AM

so true. I ran the little 10' cougar cub I rigged for a customer and at around 40mph she was pretty loose and flighty. told him I would not recommend letting just anyone run the boat.

Bullhead 06-02-2023 10:35 AM


Originally Posted by JPEROG (Post 4869183)
I will be interested to see what your thoughts are after running a light weight outboard boat (what boat did your buddy buy?). For lake Michigan use, (I lived and boated Grand Haven and all of West Michigan for 30 years), you won't beat a 40' to 50' inboard cat if you can afford the insurance, fuel, maintenance, and repairs. The next issue is repair time Vs. simple performance boating (I logged over 600 hours on my outboards last year, I logged 20 on my inboard boat and its still down waiting for a motor to come back). For insurance on a new 42 DW with 1100s I was quoted $27,000 a year with use restrictions. My new 42 DW outboard policy is 9,000, my 36 DW is 7,000, and my 32 DW is also 7,000. If my 36 and 32 had 400s instead of 450s, they would be in the "below 130 mph speed bracket" and insurance would be half of what I currently pay. All of my outboard boats are under warranty for 8 years....It's very clear to me why there are so many outboard cats in high demand but the cost of them has gone crazy as well.

Joe

Do you have a pic of your new 42?

hogie roll 06-02-2023 10:46 AM

Cats are basically ground effect aircraft. Except that they have no control surfaces like flaps.

Markus 06-02-2023 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by compedgemarine (Post 4869396)
cats have to have air under them. in the video he is not going fast enough to air it out. once you hit the mid 70's she lifts up and starts gaining speed again. cats are not good "ride around and 50mph" boats. in that water he could cruise at 80 and she would air out and run smooth.

You’re talking about the Chris-Craft video and not the Arendal video, right?


Originally Posted by compedgemarine (Post 4869396)
I was the crew chief on the Alcone boat for all but the first year he raced. I was there in Arendal setting the boat up. In testing I ran it to 164 in Sarasota bay with the open class engines.

How much power did you have?

compedgemarine 06-02-2023 04:29 PM

yes I meant in the Chris Cat video on the speeds not being enough to make it happy. the open class engines were around 980 each. we had a set of 1350 hp blower motors that we ran in it for SBI unlimited. in race trim with those she would run 175 plus if you had a good run. we ran both series with the same boat swapping out engines and drives.

compedgemarine 06-02-2023 04:50 PM

this is what was in Mrs Maxon. Mercury racing class 1 engine. nothing like a set of stacks to announce you are here at the docks.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...af77cd762a.jpg


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