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TeamSaris 06-03-2023 09:05 AM

Maxon was BAD.

CouleeCatMan 06-03-2023 09:40 AM

I agree with the others, very good thread. You have done a nice job of getting some cat people to comment about their experiences. The Chris Cat is a good boat, 30 ft long I believe and with that I thought I chime in on that video of that poker run and make a couple of suggestions.



About eight years ago I picked up a really nice (less the wet transom) Wellcraft Excalibur Kat with Kaama 425 surface drives. It is almost a clone of the Chris Cat: it is 30 ft, single step, 10’ beam with a 45” wide full length tunnel. Two-plus-one bolsters up front, 7’ wide bench behind. It is deep, 36” from teak sole to gunwales. It has a queen size bed down in the berth. Yep, I rebuilt the transom for a retirement insanity project and put about 150 hours on the engines over the years. It doesn’t pack much air until it is over 70 mph, and with the surface drives, there’s little pitch authority. Top end in its youth, upper 80’s.



You’re right, video starts out with a lot of other boat wakes running parallel. My cat does the same outside chine spray in lieu of rolling like a v-bot. It also looked like it does the same tunnel sneezing at those lower speeds. I went full screen to see where the tach’s were for some of the video. At the spot in the video where you mention the v-bottom walking away ( looks like a 22 Classic), the Chris Cat was at 3000 rpm. For my cat, that is best range/speed, 46 mph and about 2.0 mpg. Take a look at the video at about the 8:22 minute mark. There I see 4000+ rpm, and based on my cat, that is about 60-65 mph. Then at 9:22 minutes, I see 5000 rpm, for my cat that’s over 80 mph. Not a lot of boats were walking by it at that segment as it was starting to pack air. The guy running it is was obviously interested in saving a few of his old cat’s “nine-lives.” I don’t baby mine, but I sure don’t abuse it as I too am trying to prolong its life. Whoever was running the camera/phone, wow, I’m surprised they didn’t go swimming as they were standing up for most of the run.



Don’t rule out the old deep, narrower tunnel cats, it might be something your wife could live with, and you could still have some safe fun without huge insurance premiums. Going old (1986) like I have means you’ll have to get it surveyed to be insured. Best Wishes!

Skater30 06-03-2023 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by compedgemarine (Post 4869466)
this is what was in Mrs Maxon. Mercury racing class 1 engine. nothing like a set of stacks to announce you are here at the docks.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...af77cd762a.jpg

I wish they still ran those motors instead of the carbureted motors they run in Super Cat - so much cooler looking! They just scream "race motor" imo.

CigaretteSam 06-03-2023 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by CouleeCatMan (Post 4869522)
I agree with the others, very good thread. You have done a nice job of getting some cat people to comment about their experiences. The Chris Cat is a good boat, 30 ft long I believe and with that I thought I chime in on that video of that poker run and make a couple of suggestions.



About eight years ago I picked up a really nice (less the wet transom) Wellcraft Excalibur Kat with Kaama 425 surface drives. It is almost a clone of the Chris Cat: it is 30 ft, single step, 10’ beam with a 45” wide full length tunnel. Two-plus-one bolsters up front, 7’ wide bench behind. It is deep, 36” from teak sole to gunwales. It has a queen size bed down in the berth. Yep, I rebuilt the transom for a retirement insanity project and put about 150 hours on the engines over the years. It doesn’t pack much air until it is over 70 mph, and with the surface drives, there’s little pitch authority. Top end in its youth, upper 80’s.



You’re right, video starts out with a lot of other boat wakes running parallel. My cat does the same outside chine spray in lieu of rolling like a v-bot. It also looked like it does the same tunnel sneezing at those lower speeds. I went full screen to see where the tach’s were for some of the video. At the spot in the video where you mention the v-bottom walking away ( looks like a 22 Classic), the Chris Cat was at 3000 rpm. For my cat, that is best range/speed, 46 mph and about 2.0 mpg. Take a look at the video at about the 8:22 minute mark. There I see 4000+ rpm, and based on my cat, that is about 60-65 mph. Then at 9:22 minutes, I see 5000 rpm, for my cat that’s over 80 mph. Not a lot of boats were walking by it at that segment as it was starting to pack air. The guy running it is was obviously interested in saving a few of his old cat’s “nine-lives.” I don’t baby mine, but I sure don’t abuse it as I too am trying to prolong its life. Whoever was running the camera/phone, wow, I’m surprised they didn’t go swimming as they were standing up for most of the run.



Don’t rule out the old deep, narrower tunnel cats, it might be something your wife could live with, and you could still have some safe fun without huge insurance premiums. Going old (1986) like I have means you’ll have to get it surveyed to be insured. Best Wishes!

That's my footage from the run. That was my first time onboard a catamaran. Its a solid, well built boat. The east river and lower Hudson were pretty rough with all the commercial boat traffic so he didn't push it that hard. Once we passed the Statue of Liberty he was able to open her up and we were in the 80s all the way up to the mouth of the Harlem River. I beleive i cut the video once he had it wide open. I was sitting down as that's not a standing boat. Holding the phone up high was tricky as any slip could send it flying. Awesome classic boat.

tommymonza 06-03-2023 11:08 PM

Cats are Pure evil and will Fuc you up or kill you given the chance, Dogs are like old heavy straight bottom Cigs, Love you every minute and get you home no matter the conditions .

Dog Pile Commences Now.

LAriverratt 06-05-2023 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4869576)
Cats are Pure evil and will Fuc you up or kill you given the chance, Dogs are like old heavy straight bottom Cigs, Love you every minute and get you home no matter the conditions .

Dog Pile Commences Now.

Three Sent to Hospital After Cigarette Boat Rolls and Capsizes | Ocean City, NJ Patch

the below incident happened near me in 2006

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:picard1: :blahblah: :D

Pro1 06-05-2023 09:39 AM

Less weight, wider the tunnel, more speed.

compedgemarine 06-05-2023 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by LAriverratt (Post 4869634)
Three Sent to Hospital After Cigarette Boat Rolls and Capsizes | Ocean City, NJ Patch

the below incident happened near me in 2006

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:picard1: :blahblah: :D

even old dogs will bite you if you let them

Matt Trulio 06-05-2023 11:14 AM

No. Catamarans are not inherently dangerous. Nor are V-bottoms. However, there are inherent risks in performance-boating, period, that can't be wished or even trained away.

Drivers who refuse to take their learning curves seriously are dangerous. Overconfident, complacent drivers, regardless of experience level, are dangerous.

The vessel for those drivers who answer to those descriptions is just an unfortunate means to a bad end.

I don't own a catamaran or a V-bottom, and though I've driven a lot of both I make no pretense that I'm a highly skilled operator. But for what it's worth, I have had the awful responsibility of reporting quite a few go-fast boating fatalities during the years.

Cash Bar 06-06-2023 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by LAriverratt (Post 4869375)
they do have a true tunnel and fairly deep....DCB and eliminators have the center pod.

This is incorrect information.

The M37r DCB is a TRUE TUNNEL cat and as capable of any run, in any conditions, as anything else in its size range.

And I have driven, throttled, or both, in just about every cat model you can think of over the years. Happy to provide the videos if necessary.



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