Howe2Live World Record Attempt
 

Been following How2Live on and off for the past 2 years. Their video of a nighttime cruise through the inland waters of Miami was extraordinary and captivating. I have watched it several times and I have added this adventure to my bucket list. If you haven’t seen it I encourage you to do so.

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The attempt to break the record is in itself a undertaking of huge proportions. Looking back at much smaller distance record attempts around Long Island ie Stewart Hayim/Impressia, Hayim/Tomlinson, Matthew Gordon/Ed Dawson all were sanction by an organization with start and finish times verified. Gordon also had real time Kattack GPS transponders marking his route as his attempt progressed. Hayim used helicopter and aircraft to monitor his attempts and may have had GPS transponders also.

Hayim/Impressia
Gordon/Dawson
Hayim/Thomlinson.
This current endeavor has me in a quandary. Speaking with other offshore hi pro pleasure and race folks we expected to see live feed from various locations during the journey. Even still photos of marker points (ie inlets and lighthouses) time date stamped would be great. All we have right now is their nighttime second start, their video of finish in Saint Augustine and a ride around Miami excursion. There were no real time gps that the public could tune into and no sanctioning body to confirm results. To classify this as an attempt at a world record is invalid until proven otherwise.

This is a call out How2Live or anyone else to provide evidence to support their claims.

Considering they pretty much video the entire thing, it won't be too hard to prove. I'm sure they have fuel stop receipts as well.

I have suggested this the past few days, but have received a lot of resistance from their followers (sheep). It all seems like another attempt like their other videos to get more likes and followers. I'll give it to them, they are great actors at best but hardcore record setting offshore boaters....nah. I need more evidence as well. Just my .02

I’m not familiar with them but the whole set up looks like nothing more than social media construct.

"Howe 2 get viewers"

Not sure I understand the hating on the Howe's. Anyone putting themselves out there to bring us videos of cool boats/people is ok in my book. Heck, if they make a few bucks on the side doing it, great. Feel free to tune in or tune out. I've never met them, but I enjoy their content.

You may also be interested in their background story. Mrs. Howe is in law enforcement, thank you for your service. And he is a self made man from Maine. Ever hear of RipSaw tanks?

Drool.....

https://www.howeandhowe.com/civil/ripsaw-f4

https://www.howeandhowe.com/about/our-story

Sure beats a typical day at the sandbar.

Results?
 

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thats the first time i have watched the recovery video hitting the big green buoy ......wow they are lucky that could have been much worse......i run idle speed in fog and hitting something it our worst fear!

I seen the above and don't understand, the Maine to Key west, is that even one that anyone has tried or they set a record because one didn't exist?

Any idea what it would have cost to have a sanctioning body document the run ? APBA, UIM ?

I've watched some of their videos. As a boater, I've enjoyed a few of their videos but they have quite a bit that seem "Dan Bilzerian"ish that are more geared towards "Hey, look at me!" video content.
I'd been more impressed if they beat Howard Arnesons record from New Orleans to St. Louis. No ones had the balls to beat it yet all these decades later. https://www.howardarneson.com/articles/fireonmiss.asp

I agree they need some telemetry data to backup their claim especially since he has an engineering background. For instance, this kid has a tiny budget and does great videos with good telemetry data.

I'm also wondering if they actually set a record vs breaking a record.

I think it is around $3k plus pay for the Travel expenses of the officials. And lots of paperwork to be sent in. They would also have to pass inspections. Lots of safety requirements. Real life jackets and helmets to start with. Life Raft required, etc...

I have heard they asked about it, and decided that it was too much trouble, did not want to wear helmets, and they wanted to do it on their own rules.

I have inquired about shortening the Golden Gate to Queen Mary run this Sept. "Ocean Cup event" ( Nor-Cal to So-Cal) Running it from Morrow Bay to Queen Mary apprx 200miles vs 415miles so I could make it without a fuel stop. The extra cost to do that to have set up the record attempt was not worth it. So, if I do the full run, I will have to stop for fuel. Then, when you stop for fuel, it becomes a "record with assist". Still a real world record, but it will have an asterisk next to it.

Michael

Is it even possible with the changes on the river in 32 years (33 in Sept) ? Just the increase in traffic alone would hinder an attempt I would think much less locks and flood control added over the years

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but there's still no locks until St. Louis which is why the race went to St. Louis. The river traffic should actually be less considering how much the US has shifted to truck freight in the past 30 years.

I was pretty surprised with the lack of info shared as well, GPS tracks would be incredibly simple. As well as the pivot to setting a bunch of new records when they failed to achieve the one they set out for. I am sure there will be several fun videos of the endeavor, and he is keeping things mum to drive traffic for that. I hope this inspires more people to try this stuff, seems like it would be really fun.

Do they subtract the amount of time for the fuel stop or is it added in?

It is continuous time, from start to finish.

I was told that the UIM / ABPA records from Point to Point are non-stop events or if you need assist, it is marked. The very long distance runs that do require stops, are listed as Genius World Records, and you can stop for fuel or assistance as needed and not be penalized for it. As long as you go in same boat on the water from point to point of the listed record run. Something like that, I am sure there are a few more rules to it.

That is what is off about Howe's distance and time: 1,790 miles and claimed 70.17mph average speed - that is not how records are calculated. It is not moving average speed, it is total distance divided by total time. So, his average speed would be listed at 23.2 mph. I know he read his GPS and it said moving time was 25 hours and average speed was 70mph. But that is not how records are listed.

It is a cool thing that they did that run and set some "records". I am not sure the records that they beat were Official Records either. Was the Fountain 2003 record run from Hatters, NC to NYC listed as an Official Record? They are claimed records or known records among the boating community, but maybe not Official World Records.

I would love to try the NYC to Hatteras, NC run. Maybe Ocean Cup can get enough interest in that run to make it an Official World Record event.

I followed this one online. I don’t see any reason to cast doubt on it. They did go live when they took off in front of the Statue of Liberty and live when they got to Florida. Not sure how or why they would fake it. I had my doubts when they took off but if they didn’t have weather in Florida I think they would have pulled it off. They took the risk going not sanctioned so not sure if it counts as any type of official record but seemed like a pretty awesome effort.

Hats off to them for piloting an Offshore boat from Maine to Miami. Not your average boaters by any means. I admire them.

I dont think anyone is necessarily doubting the claim or saying they didn't do it or cheated. I think its mostly commentary on the fact that they are saying they broke all these record but providing zero data to support it is the incorrect way to go about things. There has to be some sort of standard to which a record is held. If they are not willing to pay a governing body, then they need to release data with the claim for people to verify.

Mercury has to be happy that a pair of 500R's out of the box didn't miss a beat.

40 or so yrs ago I won a kneel down OB hydroplane race in Laredo Tx.

I bought a tee shirt there because it said, “Laredo OB World Championship”, and I won one of the classes there so….

Several yrs later I bumped into an X w/her new beau and she introduced me to him as a world championship boat racer!

She had that the shirt that said I was so….

If they have AIS connected with their Garmin then you can document the run. Look forward to more info from the Howe’s

https://www.speedonthewater.com/from...-on-the-water/

Odd responses here..........I'd bet some want to see their birth certificates to make sure they are American too!

Its an amazing feat to run a boat offshore the length of the east coast..........any boat, never mind running one at speed! I've never ran a boat more than a few hundred miles in a weekend (Miami- Key West for example).
Now the fact the guy runs a brand new catamaran with his wife is another amazing feat, very few people have spouses that are on board with that journey or have a boat that would be able to complete that run.

I've watched about 30 seconds of their videos, they seem to have fun making them and they have had awesome boats. If I ever met them I'd buy them a round of drinks and dinner!

Congratulations to them and whatever records they earned! :D

In a world of Dan Bilzerians with people doing anything for YouTube/Instagram/Facebook/TikTok views and followers, there are a lot of us that take headlines like "We broke the record!" with a huge grain of salt. It sucks but it's just the world we live in nowadays. Even the community doing the completely unsanctioned Cannonball Run nowadays have to show telemetry data and prove they did it before claiming a time to the community.

I'm happy for them and certainly respect the trip they made. They deserve an atta boy just for doing it. I know I wouldn't put my body through that. I'll definitely watch the video(s) that show the trip when they come out.

We've rigged and setup boats for endurance records. Its incredibly hard. Hats off to the team on and off the boat!

Real-time is a thing. Had my nephew on our boat, his hat flew off, so I U turned and picked it up, we were way off Marco with maybe 1 bar left on 5G. 2 minutes later my brother calls me from land to check on what happened to our course and speed, since he was following the live track on the garmin inreach link I sent him before we left, though I think it is 10 min intervals on the map. It's not terribly expensive, $12 a month. Personally, after 5 hours non-stop on plane driving the boat last week, that was enough for me and ducked into the ICW.

Bottom line, if you call it a “world record” attempt, expect a couple of us to read the fine print.

An amazing run!

”World Record” run?????

The title of this thread is:

”World Record Attempt”

They had that thing setup as a floating gas can!

Agree with amazing run over world record run. Congrats to them!

My neighbor went from Florida to Point Pleasant NJ in 29 hours in a 2023 53 ft center console with triple mercury outboard 600's in 29 hours.
Bringing his boat back to NJ from Florida. Endurance testing for Mercury marine

https://fb.watch/lL_ju2pnKK/

More details.

Either way very impressive run, glad to see them pushing the limits on a stoc setup

Anyone see reports of speed gains from 450's? My 500r gets here next week

I see they switched from 450 to 500 motors. Since it was a real new boat and they were very close to mercury did they actually swap motors. Or cowls?

I've been told top speed gains are 2-3 mph, but there's larger gains in midrange acceleration than those top end numbers would imply. The 500Rs should get a lot of these outboard cats to break the 140 mark now, which is incredible. I've heard the insurance companies are already aware of the liability these lightweight/fast rigs are going to be and are charging accordingly for 500R powered rigs.

I had the same question especially how their previous video showed him testing a different MTI out with the new 500s, my guess it was a re sticker, no biggie either way, a big win for Mercury and them, I dig their content…

If you watch their regular content, they had 450's on the new boat, pulled them to sell them, put on the 500's just before they splashed to go.

And they did it all without running over a single whale!!

I haven't seen a single report on performance gain from the 450 to the 500 despite a few OB cats having them already.

Burton, Bob Kaiser, Howe, Ect all have 500's on their OB cats.

I'm assuming the performance gain is minimal and that's why no one has come out and posted numbers. The bigger gain will be not chucking lowers like the 450 does when run hard.