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Skater30 08-26-2023 07:06 PM

MTI over at LOTO
 
Friends back in LOTO sent me this pic and said a canopied MTI went over at LOTO today. I was told it was only the driver in the boat at the time and thankfully he was uninjured and escaped through the tunnel floor hatch. Boats can be repaired, people not so much, glad this incident wasn't worse. Everyone stay safe out there!
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...149c89e914.jpg


WARPARTY36 08-26-2023 07:21 PM

Is this HP Mafia? I heard they went over but that’s all I heard. Hopefully everyone is OK.

Skater30 08-26-2023 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by WARPARTY36 (Post 4877870)
Is this HP Mafia? I heard they went over but that’s all I heard. Hopefully everyone is OK.

That's what I heard, just wasn't trying to throw them under the bus. They're good guys and s**t happens. Was glad to hear he was ok, that's all that matters imo.

Skater30 08-26-2023 08:04 PM

Now I'm hearing there are two in the hospital as a result of this accident. The boat was confirmed as the HP Mafia MTI, and I'm really bummed to now hear there might be two injured occupants. I hope the best for all involved.

precisiondetails 08-26-2023 08:12 PM

Dale- I thought HP Mafia was a 388 Skater?

36Tango 08-26-2023 08:30 PM

Sounds like it happened on the big corner by PB2. 2 occupants were taken to the hospital, one was uninjured. Boat has been loaded on the trailer.

flat rate 08-26-2023 08:34 PM

I heard it’s the Supercat cove sponsored mti

Skater30 08-26-2023 09:59 PM

The boat didn't look bad when they pulled it out and I just heard great news that both occupants are fine.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...103eaf6d91.jpg

Markus 08-27-2023 02:15 AM


Originally Posted by precisiondetails (Post 4877877)
Dale- I thought HP Mafia was a 388 Skater?

Well, now we have a photo. The bow doesn’t look like a Skater and the deck doesn’t not look like the HP Mafia 388 Skater that rolled in Key West.

Whether it is a MTI, the result of post Key West repairs, or a something home-built is beyond my interest in MTIs.

Good that the accident wasn’t more serious.

WARPARTY36 08-27-2023 02:32 AM

There are 2 different boats.

Markus 08-27-2023 02:41 AM

Some googling shows lots of photos of the 388 while this one has seemingly flown under the radar screen.

I guess it is difficult to get chicks with an MTI so you try to be discreet. :D

(hoping that this doesn’t take a turn that makes jokes inappropriate)

36Tango 08-27-2023 07:12 AM

Here is the Water Patrol Incident Report. Darr was the driver,
https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/WP..._NUM=230463698

Jupiter Sunsation 08-27-2023 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by 36Tango (Post 4877907)
Here is the Water Patrol Incident Report. Darr was the driver,
https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/WP..._NUM=230463698


The Ozark legend, Jim Darr?!?!

Well atleast he has verifiable boat accident experience unlike Chris "Apache ejection" Sunkin! :D

Indy 08-27-2023 08:27 AM

Darr? Is that another alias? :p

Skater30 08-27-2023 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by 36Tango (Post 4877907)
Here is the Water Patrol Incident Report. Darr was the driver,
https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/WP..._NUM=230463698

Thanks for posting, that clarifies everything. Glad that all involved are ok.

phragle 08-27-2023 11:32 AM

Darr????? Darr??? the cardboard bustle give way leading to instability???

Jupiter Sunsation 08-27-2023 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4877936)
Darr????? Darr??? the cardboard bustle give way leading to instability???

I thought for sure the polycarbonic prototype windshield obstructed his vision and he missed the "Loto 10 foot roller" coming at him.

DRAG 08-27-2023 11:52 AM

It’s by PB2 so I’d imagine that tight corner got him. That’s pure speculation but that corner has gotten a few over the years. Can get rough with cruiser traffic…gotta respect it.

One post said 2 with minor injuries and another said 2 in hospital Looks like Jim came thru belly hatch and was standing on it in the picture. Hope everyone is ok.

Griff 08-27-2023 02:13 PM

One engine lost all power and the boat spun and flipped. Nobody was hurt.

Knot 4 Me 08-28-2023 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by 36Tango (Post 4877879)
Sounds like it happened on the big corner by PB2. 2 occupants were taken to the hospital, one was uninjured. Boat has been loaded on the trailer.

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thisistank 08-28-2023 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4877953)
One engine lost all power and the boat spun and flipped. Nobody was hurt.

well, I guess that settles the long standing debate of “will
a cat roll if it loses an engine at speed?”

Helmwurst 08-28-2023 08:43 AM

Tank, I would think any twin that loses power at speed would get pretty squirrely if the drive suddenly threw the prop into stop position? Anyone ever had that happen?

F-2 Speedy 08-28-2023 09:13 AM

Me, port drive broke the upper locked the engine up at 70 mph boat stayed straight and true came off plane, then a 4 mile idle back to PBC......:faint2:

ttuton 08-28-2023 09:13 AM

The further away from the center line that the point of thrust is applied the worse the yaw will be when the thrust is lost.

DRAG 08-28-2023 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Helmwurst (Post 4878020)
Tank, I would think any twin that loses power at speed would get pretty squirrely if the drive suddenly threw the prop into stop position? Anyone ever had that happen?

This was a topic for guardian mode on Passion for Powerboats FB group. Guys with drives up high in v-bottoms and high speed were commenting on instability with guardian taking power out of one engine and not both. I had this happen to me and with side by side engines and deep drives it did nothing....just slowed down. I was going 85 and guardian shut one engine completely down due to hitting a wave and drive fluid coming off the sensor in the reservoir. I just overfill them a bit now, but it completely shut that engine down at full speed. Someone was talking about running 110 in a stagger boat and this being pretty sketchy with the boat on top of the water.

endeavor1 08-28-2023 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy (Post 4878025)
Me, port drive broke the upper locked the engine up at 70 mph boat stayed straight and true came off plane, then a 4 mile idle back to PBC......:faint2:

Almost same thing happened to me a few weeks ago. Non event except the king idle back

pasquesi 08-28-2023 11:25 AM

Darr always talked about this Anthony guy like he was Don Aronow. I find it hilarious that they were in that old POS Skater and one guy was on the throttles and the other driving.........

Hopefully the other involved person heals up quickly.

Griff 08-28-2023 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by thisistank (Post 4878018)
well, I guess that settles the long standing debate of “will
a cat roll if it loses an engine at speed?”

My guess is they were already turning when the engine lost power. I also heard that when the spin started, Darr came out of his seat and landed on A Jr and pinned the throttle on the other engine. Makes sense, but this is just stuff I heard or read and not confirmed.

bajaholic 08-28-2023 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by pasquesi (Post 4878043)
Darr always talked about this Anthony guy like he was Don Aronow. I find it hilarious that they were in that old POS Skater and one guy was on the throttles and the other driving.........

Hopefully the other involved person heals up quickly.

Except it was an MTI..., Keep up! :ernaehrung004:

DRAG 08-28-2023 11:57 AM

I know there is a history here, but sure hate to see someone who worked hard to get their boat ready go through that.

TeamSaris 08-28-2023 12:05 PM

Ive been in cats at 100+ and lost drives. Theyve always gone straight. Every situation and scenario is different. Keep that in mind.

WARPARTY36 08-28-2023 12:47 PM

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/foru...-jpeg.1270252/

WARPARTY36 08-28-2023 12:48 PM

2 different boats. Pics courtesy of RDPhttps://www.riverdavesplace.com/foru...-jpeg.1270253/

Brad Zastrow 08-28-2023 01:13 PM

I have owned a lot of cats including a 39 MTI canopy boat. I have lost props, locked up drives and locked up engines with ZERO issues other than you slow down. I lost a Number 6 drive in the MTI at 150 mph and simply slowed down.

glassdave 08-28-2023 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4878045)
My guess is they were already turning when the engine lost power. I also heard that when the spin started, Darr came out of his seat and landed on A Jr and pinned the throttle on the other engine. Makes sense, but this is just stuff I heard or read and not confirmed.


this is one of my huge peaves. . . never (NEVER) be in a canopy boat and not belted in. And i know this will be unpopular but i also believe you should have some sort of head protection on (ask me how i know) especially if you will be pushing it. Even if its just some kind of light duty bike helmet or something, anything. When a boat starts false keeling and gets out of control your extremities (this includes your head) can hyper-extend those few inches to the canopy pretty fast and you will have no time or ability to react . . . (again . . . ask me how i know)


Ive also blown an engine in both a Supercat as well as a Superstock cat full throttle in turns and both times the boat just walked out of the turn a bit and we slowed outside the course (oddly both times were at the OPA nationals in Cambridge MD . . . in the same turn lol)

Markus 08-28-2023 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4878048)
Ive been in cats at 100+ and lost drives. Theyve always gone straight. Every situation and scenario is different. Keep that in mind.

turning in or turning out?

glassdave 08-28-2023 02:57 PM


Originally Posted by Markus (Post 4878069)
turning in or turning out?


bingo . . . makes a HUGE difference on your ability to recover, not necessarily blowing an engine but more so when a cat is pushed to the edge of its control.

TeamSaris 08-28-2023 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Markus (Post 4878069)
turning in or turning out?

30 Skater w outboards out
36 Spectre in
Same result. Every situation is different. A blanket "cats flip if one engine dies" statement is ridiculous.

Buddy00 08-28-2023 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by Markus (Post 4878069)
turning in or turning out?

out

Buddy00 08-28-2023 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Brad Zastrow (Post 4878061)
I have owned a lot of cats including a 39 MTI canopy boat. I have lost props, locked up drives and locked up engines with ZERO issues other than you slow down. I lost a Number 6 drive in the MTI at 150 mph and simply slowed down.

Engine quit under load. Nothing anyone could do. Fact. Had jackets and belted in


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