Am I making more out of this than I should?
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On another thread I am replacing the harmonic balancers and seals and when I removed the balancer I smelled burnt oil. I've had the valve covers off a few times and did not smell anything unusual. For my piece of mind, I would really like to drain 100% of the oil if possible.
I measured the total length of hose I'm now using to run from the engine through the filter to the thermostat through the cooler and back to the engine and there is a full qt of oil there. Also the new oil coolers I bought hold about a qt. There's another qt in the filter but that gets changed out of course. Total system capacity is 9 qts.
I am using the stock remote oil filter assembly. Can I remove one of these plugs, apply air pressure and blow the 2qts of oil back into the pan for removal or is there some kind of check valve in the block to prevent this?
Thanks again for your help.

I measured the total length of hose I'm now using to run from the engine through the filter to the thermostat through the cooler and back to the engine and there is a full qt of oil there. Also the new oil coolers I bought hold about a qt. There's another qt in the filter but that gets changed out of course. Total system capacity is 9 qts.
I am using the stock remote oil filter assembly. Can I remove one of these plugs, apply air pressure and blow the 2qts of oil back into the pan for removal or is there some kind of check valve in the block to prevent this?
Thanks again for your help.

Having a small % of the remaining old oil will not be an issue unless it has particulate contaminants etc.
Fuel dilution is one of the primary reasons to change engine oil. Mostly from blown applications with aggressive F/A mixtures.
If you're concerned about your oil...and when to change it...do a few oil analysis inspections.
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Padraig, Yes, that is what it seems.
Everyone is hung up on why it's not really necessary in their opinions and I was trying to explain that it is necessary in my opinion. Maybe if I put the question again in a different way.
What I really want to know is IF I apply air to the remote oil filter block to purge the system as much as possible, is there a chance that I may "F" something up? I wouldn't want the oil pump to loose it's prime (if that's possible) or who knows what hence my question. Is there a check valve between the oil pump and the filter? No way to force the oil back that way correct? So it would have to go through the cooler etc.
TomZ My cooler is below the engine along with most of the new lines. The thermostat is about even with the pan.
Now I am thinking about the amount of oil again and I think when I change the oil it only takes 6 qts INCLUDING filling the filter. If that is correct, I have a full 3rd of the overall capacity not getting changed. Now I feel even more anxious
Anyone on here have a 7.4? If yes, how much oil does it take?
Everyone is hung up on why it's not really necessary in their opinions and I was trying to explain that it is necessary in my opinion. Maybe if I put the question again in a different way.
What I really want to know is IF I apply air to the remote oil filter block to purge the system as much as possible, is there a chance that I may "F" something up? I wouldn't want the oil pump to loose it's prime (if that's possible) or who knows what hence my question. Is there a check valve between the oil pump and the filter? No way to force the oil back that way correct? So it would have to go through the cooler etc.
TomZ My cooler is below the engine along with most of the new lines. The thermostat is about even with the pan.
Now I am thinking about the amount of oil again and I think when I change the oil it only takes 6 qts INCLUDING filling the filter. If that is correct, I have a full 3rd of the overall capacity not getting changed. Now I feel even more anxious

Anyone on here have a 7.4? If yes, how much oil does it take?
The biggest culprit would be the oil coolers if you got larger ones.
What evidence did you determine/find that all the old oil needs to be removed?
The easiest thing to do is just change the oil before it needs it. Have some good filters on. Maybe a System 1 re-usable filter.
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When I do oil changes on my Dodge Cummins engines, I always have clean oil for a long time after the change, despite the sooty diesel oil that came out and left in etc. Good filters really help here.
Using oil that is heavier, like a 20w50 is good protection from fuel dilution and shearing destruction.
Using oil that is heavier, like a 20w50 is good protection from fuel dilution and shearing destruction.
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Dude I agree and also am very retentive about oil change, but you will never get 110 percent oil out of motor, every lifter, oil gallery, every low spot in cylinder heads lifter valley etc.the best way is to run the engine up to temp drain it, fill with fresh oil run it up to temp drain it and fill with fresh oil. I go get the cheapest synthetic oil and do it twice, the engine cares less about the brand of oil versus how often you change it. It may seem wasteful but I drop off oil at depot. All my engines have oil so clean it’s hard to see it on dipstick, you say it only takes 6 quarts at a time, well for flushing purposes just buy 3-5 quart jugs at wall mart with some filters and flush it 2 or 3 times maybe costs about 100 bucks.maybe throw in a bit of seafoam each time
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Guys,
Whenever I'd changed my oil, which I only started doing myself when we got the PQ, it always bothered me that I only got about seven quarts or so out of it, and it only took about eight to refill it. I knew we were losing some to the effects of the ProCharger and the way the 496's PCV valve and oil dipstick worked, but the short fill, compared to the spec'd capacity always bothered me, because I knew I wasn't getting it all out of the pan. When I did the oil temp gauge install, it included an oil change in the process, having to remove the remote oil filter head during the process. This time, however, I used the OEM drain on the side of the oil pan, with a hose out the drain plug hole in the transom. What I found was that I got almost nine quarts out of it and that it took a full nine quarts to fill it when the job was done. Quite the difference.
Takeaway....? If your engine has such an oil pan drain feature, use it. You still won't likely get the oil lines cleared, or any of those pesky residual retention spots, but you'll certainly drain the pan and hopefully take some of the debris that starts to build up over time with it.
Thanks. Brad.
Whenever I'd changed my oil, which I only started doing myself when we got the PQ, it always bothered me that I only got about seven quarts or so out of it, and it only took about eight to refill it. I knew we were losing some to the effects of the ProCharger and the way the 496's PCV valve and oil dipstick worked, but the short fill, compared to the spec'd capacity always bothered me, because I knew I wasn't getting it all out of the pan. When I did the oil temp gauge install, it included an oil change in the process, having to remove the remote oil filter head during the process. This time, however, I used the OEM drain on the side of the oil pan, with a hose out the drain plug hole in the transom. What I found was that I got almost nine quarts out of it and that it took a full nine quarts to fill it when the job was done. Quite the difference.
Takeaway....? If your engine has such an oil pan drain feature, use it. You still won't likely get the oil lines cleared, or any of those pesky residual retention spots, but you'll certainly drain the pan and hopefully take some of the debris that starts to build up over time with it.
Thanks. Brad.
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Trying to force oil back through the oil lines towards the oil pump, it's not going to flow past the gear pump very well, it would have to bypass on your bypass system if you have one. That's a pretty steep pressure to just get a small volume of oil out of the lines.
The biggest culprit would be the oil coolers if you got larger ones.
What evidence did you determine/find that all the old oil needs to be removed?
The easiest thing to do is just change the oil before it needs it. Have some good filters on. Maybe a System 1 re-usable filter.
The biggest culprit would be the oil coolers if you got larger ones.
What evidence did you determine/find that all the old oil needs to be removed?
The easiest thing to do is just change the oil before it needs it. Have some good filters on. Maybe a System 1 re-usable filter.

I don't really have evidence that all the oil needs to be removed. I think everyone would at least agree that removing all of the oil each time is better (however you would measure that) than replacing some of the oil. In my case I might be changing only 60%.
I normally change the oil at the end of the season. For the past 2 seasons I only put about 25 hrs on them each year. I think some of you guys change your oil at 20-25 hrs so I'm "accidentally" right there with you.
I run the Wix filters (not race) which I believe are probably the best ones out there. Everyone has an opinion. Those reusable filters don't filter down to the same size as the Wix filter does it? My brother had one and I don't remember the exact spec's but Wix filtered down to a smaller number.
I don't think running a thicker oil with my engines is a good idea. My engine builder told me to run the Brad Penn 10w30 Semi synthetic so that is what I'm keeping with. I actually buy it from him.
So I'm not going to pursue this idea after all. I have come to the realization that the "Juice is not worth the squeeze".
Again I want to thank everyone for their input.
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I saw an episode of engine masters where they tested all different oil filters and flow rates, I believe the k&n gold filtered down to 10 microns and had same flow as wix and all the others that were 20 microns, also I wasn’t necessarily saying to switch to full synthetic but just to change oil twice in a row, oils cheap and if you do it twice then if you say you are only changing 60% then do it twice and then left over oil will be diluted with more fresh oil,
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You can watch engine masters on utube, I only do the twice oil change for the winter layup and come spring time I have fresh oil( have heater in engine compartment cause I love my big block) and my wife pays power bill
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I really enjoyed watching engine masters. Sad that Brule retired and then motortrend literally dropped every show I liked so I dropped them.
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Omg am I jealous, I have an old 1989 2755 Bayliner Ciera it has a radar arch and is about 10 or 12 feet when on trailer, it’s my sleeper boat, came with a skanky ford 351 and Omc drive, now it has my tall deck 496 aluminum heads roller cam aluminum water manifolds, aluminum water pump and mini starter, probably lighter than the all cast iron 351. Also converted it over to my Volvo 290 dpe drive and thru hull exhaust.


