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Wally 03-27-2025 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4922996)
Looking at that Bilge and the lack of any room to work, hard pass for me.
You live close to Midway, I don`t even know where you would take this .. Lake michigan wouldn`t be much fun, need a small lake.
I think you should do the HVAC instead.. perfect time now while were slow and before they run out pf R410 equipment :D

:ernaehrung004:LOL im gonna beat this HVAC system for all its worth! It owes me nothing at this point since i believe it was installed around '04(ish) i wanna say...but its still humming along with no problems.
As for where to go...i live close to Ohare..so i hop on the Kennedy and its about a 40min ride to Diversey harbor.....or hit 294 and again its about 40-45min to get the to chain or to Zion boat launch. Its not that bad. But you sound like my wife :D her biggest thing is squeezing the boat into the neighborhood when i take it home to play with :D

Wally 03-27-2025 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by Craney (Post 4922997)
How about converting it to a single.

Im not sure how the boat would like that setup.....from what i remember from the past...it rode kinda flat as it sits now....Keep in mind its a 76' thats was hand layed and its heavy...but that maybe partly due to the props on the boat but i feel like it would end up plowing more with less weight on the rear than it has now...don't know....but it would be easier to work on that's for sure :D
The other thing is my boating is mainly on Lake Mi so i never felt comfortable being out in a single engine boat. If something blows up i'm floating along waiting for someone to come along or calling the TowBoaUS Pirates....with twins i can possibly still get home albeit very slowly :D

Markus 03-27-2025 10:04 AM


Originally Posted by TeamSaris (Post 4922985)
you probably shout "freebird!" at concerts too....lol.
PLEASE do not take ALL the coolness away from a classic offshore cig by converting it to OB...

Saw one of these for sale in Norway with twin Yamaha V8 outboards.

ICDEDPPL 03-27-2025 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4923001)
Your getting spoiled with those big roomy separate engine compartments in your cat now.

It’s not only high performance boats but many cruisers and sailboats that I’ve seen the engine access and have gone Oh Hell No.

Being able to get around front and back of engine is really nice. I pulled a trans and replaced flywheel in the boat . Yes I`m spoiled now .:ernaehrung004:

Wally 03-27-2025 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4923067)
Being able to get around front and back of engine is really nice. I pulled a trans and replaced flywheel in the boat . Yes I`m spoiled now .:ernaehrung004:

Maybe i forgot about my PTSD when working on my old 30' scarab with twins....many a time i was upside down feeling like my head would explode... :D or maybe im a masochist and cant help myself! ;)

tommymonza 03-27-2025 05:03 PM

Most boats are Just Stupid for access . My trawler has tiny 4 cylinder Yanmars that are easily accessible but the backside of the generator is almost a nightmare and the house and engine batteries as well as the water maker are far from convenient. Mean while there is a 4x7 foot area in the middle that has nothing occupying it.


Mbam 03-27-2025 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally (Post 4923035)
:ernaehrung004:LOL im gonna beat this HVAC system for all its worth! It owes me nothing at this point since i believe it was installed around '04(ish) i wanna say...but its still humming along with no problems.
As for where to go...i live close to Ohare..so i hop on the Kennedy and its about a 40min ride to Diversey harbor.....or hit 294 and again its about 40-45min to get the to chain or to Zion boat launch. Its not that bad. But you sound like my wife :D her biggest thing is squeezing the boat into the neighborhood when i take it home to play with :D

Back in the day all we had on the big lake were "small" boats. And somehow we managed to have fun that is probably not legal today. Weekends at the Indiana Dunes, trips to Michigan City, St Joe, Sagatuck or just a raft up in the play pen. I remember when the first "big" boat showed up, a 35 Cigarette. Then some 38 Scarabs.

Tartilla 03-27-2025 09:49 PM


Originally Posted by jadento (Post 4922978)
Hummm...Bracket and outboards? Someone had to say it.:boat: :popcorn:

John

For the kicker...???

Tartilla 03-27-2025 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by scippy (Post 4922984)
Is there fuel in the tank?...has it turned to molasses by now?.... the tank and whole fuel system might need to be replaced just another concern.

I pulled a gas tank out that had 30yr old gas in it. It had lost volume...and was a caramel color...but smelled like new gas. Unreal.

Still had a lot of flamable energy. It would run an engine...but not worth the PITA ebem for the lawnmower.

Tartilla 03-27-2025 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by Craney (Post 4922997)
How about converting it to a single.

There is the ASD8 Arneson in the Swap Shop....

A single engine conversion is not out to lunch.

A good 600hp single would be great. Far less weight. Easy work. Half the costs.

tommymonza 03-27-2025 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923108)
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Back in the day all we had on the big lake were "small" boats. And somehow we managed to have fun that is probably not legal today. Weekends at the Indiana Dunes, trips to Michigan City, St Joe, Sagatuck or just a raft up in the play pen. I remember when the first "big" boat showed up, a 35 Cigarette. Then some 38 Scarabs.


I was making it all work with my little 18 footer running up and down the east coast from Grand Haven to Suckyouin SuckNTuck in the day.

Got smart in 84 and moved to Naples.

Great old pics. What’s this boat with the tall windshield and the one sitting to port of the 377 Scarab. Is that Scarab the Van Andels old Warp Factor ?

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tommymonza 03-27-2025 10:21 PM

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Wally 03-27-2025 11:13 PM

That tall windshield actually looks like a 28' cig! this one had a taller windshield and we swapped it out for the shorter SS style with another member here long time ago! :D

tommymonza 03-27-2025 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wally (Post 4923118)
That tall windshield actually looks like a 28' cig! this one had a taller windshield and we swapped it out for the shorter SS style with another member here long time ago! :D

Nah the freeboard is too high. I used to know what they were I’m rackin my brain but it’s rattling. I’m thinking an early 31 Imp.

Or an old Cary 32 ?

Mbam 03-28-2025 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4923116)
I was making it all work with my little 18 footer running up and down the east coast from Grand Haven to Suckyouin SuckNTuck in the day.

Got smart in 84 and moved to Naples.

Great old pics. What’s this boat with the tall windshield and the one sitting to port of the 377 Scarab. Is that Scarab the Van Andels old Warp Factor ?

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d8e296b06.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f5f36a344.jpeg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...6742056c5.jpeg
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If my memory is correct I think the boat to the port of the Scarab is a 24' Donzi


Mbam 03-28-2025 03:55 AM

I'm drawing a blank on the manufacturer. Nice boat, straight inboards. Maybe 10' beam. Owner was in the bar business. There were 2 of them in Chicago at the time. Geez I just cannot remember.

Bingo - found it, was a Maxim
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...98574bff38.jpg




tommymonza 03-28-2025 11:20 AM

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...12f487fe8.jpeg

Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923124)
If my memory is correct I think the boat to the port of the Scarab is a 24' Donzi

Nice color combo on the Spitfire.

tommymonza 03-28-2025 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923125)
I'm drawing a blank on the manufacturer. Nice boat, straight inboards. Maybe 10' beam. Owner was in the bar business. There were 2 of them in Chicago at the time. Geez I just cannot remember.

Bingo - found it, was a Maxim
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...98574bff38.jpg

Thats it, That was a cool boat, pretty sure I saw it in Saugatuk back in the day I take it those were a South Florida built boat .

I see what appears to be the name Windigo on it, odd name for a powerboat . There was an old 75’ wooden ketch docked at Jessics in Holland back the 70s
with that name.
Loved it when I would happen to run down to Saugetuck from GH and all the Chicago boats were in for the day.

TexomaPowerboater 03-28-2025 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by Wally (Post 4922983)
I hear what your saying....My "ideal" boat would be like a 28 or 31 sonic with twins and then maybe an Active thunder or Scarab in the 31' range...but this kinda fell into my lap so who am i to say no ;)

Those 31 Sonic's are easy to find and are huge, they offer so much more than the 28 cigarette. The bilge access alone is enough to buy one. The bilge access the way the back rest is attached to the hatch like my 28 Saber is awesome. I mean I can literally sit on my back seat and eat a dinner off the top of my engines there is that much room to work on them.

tommymonza 03-28-2025 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by TexomaPowerboater (Post 4923155)
Those 31 Sonic's are easy to find and are huge, they offer so much more than the 28 cigarette. The bilge access alone is enough to buy one. The bilge access the way the back rest is attached to the hatch like my 28 Saber is awesome. I mean I can literally sit on my back seat and eat a dinner off the top of my engines there is that much room to work on them.

I met the Sabre brothers when they were putting together their first 28 and they were pretty innovative at the time I thought.

Every boat needs this hatch design or be modified. Recently my brother was in the market for a Chris Craft 27’ launch with twin small blocks so I looked at a few down here for him . It was stupid to even reach the batteries and the bulkhead was so tall and the motors so deep in the bilge it was nearly impossible to hang over it to even check the oil. And there was no room to crawl down around or in front of the motors, some of the worst access I’ve seen in a boat.

Indy 03-28-2025 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4923160)
I met the Sabre brothers when they were putting together their first 28 and they were pretty innovative at the time I thought.

Every boat needs this hatch design or be modified. Recently my brother was in the market for a Chris Craft 27’ launch with twin small blocks so I looked at a few down here for him . It was stupid to even reach the batteries and the bulkhead was so tall and the motors so deep in the bilge it was nearly impossible to hang over it to even check the oil. And there was no room to crawl down around or in front of the motors, some of the worst access I’ve seen in a boat.

How could you possibly pull a motor?

87CigCafe 03-28-2025 06:31 PM

Sell.
 
If you DONT buy it and pass… care to pass along the info? I might be interested in her

KEYS DISEASE 03-28-2025 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923108)
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https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f7cac798f3.jpg


Back in the day all we had on the big lake were "small" boats. And somehow we managed to have fun that is probably not legal today. Weekends at the Indiana Dunes, trips to Michigan City, St Joe, Sagatuck or just a raft up in the play pen. I remember when the first "big" boat showed up, a 35 Cigarette. Then some 38 Scarabs.

M. Friedman in that crowd?

Mbam 03-28-2025 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by KEYS DISEASE (Post 4923165)
M. Friedman in that crowd?

Can't say for sure but it is certainly possible.

KEYS DISEASE 03-28-2025 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923166)
Can't say for sure but it is certainly possible.

Cool, Hi Marc! Robert Tanner

F-2 Speedy 03-28-2025 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by 87CigCafe (Post 4923164)
If you DONT buy it and pass… care to pass along the info? I might be interested in her

You're behind me see post 14...........:ernaehrung004:

tommymonza 03-28-2025 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923166)
Can't say for sure but it is certainly possible.

What about Tom Houston ?

cougarman 03-28-2025 09:03 PM

Perfect candidate
big single / #6 drive

Mbam 03-28-2025 10:38 PM

Hi Robert!!

Mbam 03-28-2025 10:39 PM

Hmmm, very good possibility he was certainly one of the group.

97FASTech 03-29-2025 08:53 AM

I remember going to Blarney Island back in the early 80's on a twin Chevy 350 SB named the Bandit. I believe his name was Kurt. Their family owned a bus conversion company. Place still exist?

Wally 03-31-2025 07:40 AM

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Blarney's? Yep still there, and so are the Thursday night drag races. Opening weekend is May 17-18 this year Blarney's Island

pasquesi 03-31-2025 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923125)
I'm drawing a blank on the manufacturer. Nice boat, straight inboards. Maybe 10' beam. Owner was in the bar business. There were 2 of them in Chicago at the time. Geez I just cannot remember.

Bingo - found it, was a Maxim
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...98574bff38.jpg

Remember that old "Donzi Doodles" boat?

Tbasch 03-31-2025 11:38 AM

Love the Lines on these boats

Mbam 03-31-2025 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by pasquesi (Post 4923282)
Remember that old "Donzi Doodles" boat?

Sure do

pasquesi 03-31-2025 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by Mbam (Post 4923307)
Sure do

Steve Murray was a buddy. I remember driving those old SSM#3 drives to Wisconsin for rebuilding. I had a little 255 Formula Liberator at the time...that Donzi made me eat spray many times.

I recall a boat completely delaminating that was stored at Marina City Marina......RDM Steeler maybe? God is was a mess.

Old times. Great memories.

Mbam 03-31-2025 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by pasquesi (Post 4923308)
Steve Murray was a buddy. I remember driving those old SSM#3 drives to Wisconsin for rebuilding. I had a little 255 Formula Liberator at the time...that Donzi made me eat spray many times.

I recall a boat completely delaminating that was stored at Marina City Marina......RDM Steeler maybe? God is was a mess.

Old times. Great memories.

Priceless memories for sure!
don't think it was Steeler but tbh my memory is shot. Did have a 38 Bertram with a little issue later on in the 80's sometime.
The Murray's were great guys. A lot of fun.

Drake22.250 03-31-2025 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by tommymonza (Post 4922994)
That double sheer that’s on the 28 Cig bugs me almost as much as the wood deck insert on the 27 Magnum.

I like the look of the old Scarab S-Types and Panthers but the quality lacks.

The 28 Pantera has the classic Look and the quality construction but not many around these days.


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Not sure how something like this bothers ya, just plain sexy in my opinion.

Nclarkee21 04-03-2025 06:41 PM

Old but it’s fire

gale force 04-08-2025 09:25 AM

Always worthwhile to save these old classics, especially if the structure is solid. New replacement cost for something similar is crazy.money.


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