burban vs excursion
 

I'm looking at changin from the 98 2500 burban, 454 to a excursion/deisel, any worries,or complaints? the milage is drivin me NUTZZZZZ

What kind of mileage are you lookig for? I don't think you can shop for mileage when your looking at a big SUV. The excursion even with the diesel isn't going to get you much above 15mpg.

Talk to MitchStellin. He just went from a 2001 (2?) 1500 Burban to a 2003 Excursion PSD. Loves the Ford.

Any time you change from gas to diesel in a large vehicle you will be happier if you tow a lot. I currently have a 99 F250 diesel and love it. I have a new 6.0 diesel excursion on the way and I'm sure it will also be great. Suburbans are nice but until they come in a diesel I won't even consider one.

thanks guys, I just pulled my new 32 black thunder back from fla. and got about 7 mpg.... I'm bettin that diesel will make me happier

The X rules.........



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I have a 1500 suburban with a 350, and an Excursion with a PSD. The Suburban is more fun to drive around town, and gets similar milage when not towing. The leather is better in the Suburban, but far from good. The Excursion "lumbers" compared to the Suburban running erronds, but is without question the better pulling vechile of the two. (My engine is still stock, but don't know for how much longer). The turning radius is much better in the Excursion. You need to know that even though Ford charges $50,000 for the truck, they still can't afford to install important items you should consider. Better front springs, anti-sway bar in back, good shocks, and expect to turn the rotors every 10,000 miles.

Mrs. Chart's comments after driving the Excursion for the past two days: For a behemoth, the Excursion is very civilized around the city, and she prefers the Excursion over the Suburban for long road trips.

We just got a new '02 PSD Excursion 2 weeks ago and love it!

If you want some whimpy people hauler to drive around town keep the burban. If you want something that can handle a big load In Style get the Excursion

Not that I have an opinion or anything:rolleyes:

I've got an '01 Suburban 1500 and an '02 Excursion PSD. We have had a number of suburbans to haul the kids and their crap around town. It's great for that task.

We use the excursion for towing the boat and for general purpose, i.e. errands when we are on vacation. My whole family prefers the Excursion, wife especially. We have a 3" lift kit and 37" tires. I expected the wife to hate it but she prefers to drive that over the suburban.

If you get an Excursion you should get the diesel. Tows the boat no problem.

Well I just wanted a simple yes or no, but DAMN you guys take this serious, especially this lifted deal !!!!!! I'm gonna have to get me a lifted mac truck paint it canary yellow and have strippers hangin' off the end

I agree with h2o there is no comparison. burban is a girls car. If you really want to pull Get a EXCURSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have got the banks turbo on our diesel and I will never buy a gas engine again. We are pulling a 38' TOP GUN...........

ANDREAS, I'VE GOT A 2000 EXCURSION LIMITED 4X4 DIESEL .I'D TAKE $24500 CALL MY SALES MANAGER ANDRES FOR MORE INFO 863 512 2849

were did you get this info cracker jack box! Ive had an x with a deisel for 2 summers it flat out pulls!we towed from ohio to n.carolina(lake norman) avraged 14 15 mpg in the mountians!

You guy's that pull large boat's with the excursion and suburban, don't you get a lot of sway from side to side at hwy speeds??

Especially the lifted ones?!?!??

What have you done to get rid of it?

Thats what im talking about!!what is the lift and tire size?

I tow 37 A.T. with psd plenty power no sway love it 16mpg around town. Had suburban brakes suck!

We bought an Excursion at the beginning of the season and have racked up 45k miles on it. We have no complaints other that we have to drive to much. It is great for long trips and feels very safe at all speeds, although it tops out around 94.

I would buy a Burban if they would put the Duramax and Allison in it.

ps. almost all our miles were towing atound 12k lbs. It pulls great.

GM doesn't have a solid axle, right?

The X is a great rig. I have had 2, a gasser and Diesel. The Diesel is far superior. My Diesel got 18 mpg at 75 mph from Phoenix to Socal when I bought it bone stock. Since, with the 6 inch lift and 35's I still get 16 mpg highway at 65 mph. The X has a solid axle which is much stronger and easier to lift. The Burb will ride a little better, but the X rides fine. Niether is perfect. On the pre 03 X's the tranny is the weak link, if you can get a good deal on the ESP I would go with it. If you kept your vehicle a long time the Diesel X would outlast the gasser Burb 3x over. I say get the X. Good luck.

Excusion=Exclusion;

Actually it's a great vehicle with the Power Stroke. Stay away from the V10. They will not fit in a std. garage due to height w/ off road tires.

They are having problems with the Ford Super Duty (the Excusion is built on this chassis)front suspension after 60k miles ie. tie rods, ball joints etc.

The Suburban/Yukon XL is NOT a girly car! They just need to put the Dmax in it. The 8.1 is stout but sucks gas.

Wannabe in Motor City

I WENT FROM A 98 BURBAN 454 -2500,4X4 TO A 2002 2500-4X4-496-8.1----- THERE IS NO COMPARIRSON ,THE NEW ONE IS GREAT
MY BROTHERS WIFE HAS AND X AND SAYS ITS TO BIG FOR TRAFFIC

JMHO

Wannabe, I agree with you the Suburban's / Yukon's are not Girly.....They are WHIMPY . For heavy work.....you know......professional grade......It is nice to have a solid front axle;)

If the Duramax was in the XL it would also be a very nice tow vehicle. I would not tow a large load with the shorter wheel base version. The problem is they are not based on the HD and I do not think it will fit:eek: That's why for those big towing jobs, it's hard to beat the Big "X":cool:

Which by the way is going out of production due to lower than expected sales:eek:

o.k. whimpy???????????????????????????????

I had problems at first, but mine is not lifted. The real problem turned out to be the trailer. Not enough tounge weight. I took the trailer back (picture is before the modification) and they cut and moved the axles back to increase the tounge weight. No more problems now. Used to be anything over 60 and downhill was very unstable (like finding myself in the adjacent lane). I also added adjustable air-bags (with compressor) and 15,000 class-5 hitch.

Like Nort (after fix), no problems side to side, but I have a lot of tounge weight. And a 30' boat may not count as "large". The Suburban has more back and forth rocking (teeter-tottering on the rear axle) than the Excursion, which weighs 1000 lbs more, and a lot of that has got to be the PSD over the front axle.

In addition, adding a rear anti-sway bar will help control any sway the trailer may cause. I've not done mine yet, but plan to before boat season.

Was it a trade in on a Suburban?:D We have 2 PSD trucks in our fleet (F450 wheel lift and F350 crew cab dually we pull a 4 car car trailer with) I have a contract with the local ford dealer and they didn't want their broke down cars towed in by a Chevy. Did I mention the transmission problems we always have with the Fords?:( Always tow our Smoked tranny Ford trucks back to the dealer with the Chevy truck:D My wife and I both have burbs so you know where I'm coming from. (thats why I'm gmhdfan and not Ford-Harleyfan. X is A nice truck but with the price of diesel and the extra cost up front to buy one you have to put alot of miles on the truck before it pays off. Harder to sell a used diesel than a gas motor IMHO. And then the smell when it's running or having to fill up. And try finding diesel in the middle of the night when your out of town. Just some things to think about. :) :cool:

How do you know if your at a redneck wedding?

When you get to the church instead of asking bride or groom they ask Ford or Chevy.:D

Too Old....Look a little closer at the first picture. It looks to me like the boat is setting perfectly on that trailer with the bunks supporting the boat all the way to the transom. Looking from the side, the transom notch just makes it look like it is unsupported.

Nort, corect me if I'm wrong but did the pic of the Chevy truck break a tie rod or something? And wouldn't the same thing happen to your straight axle if the tie rod broke?:cool: :)

The Excursion does not come with a rear anit sway bar but the rear anti sway bar off a F-350 fits perfect. The front bar is a little small but Hellwig makes a replacment for that. The Excursion with a 13" lift and 38" tires seems to handle better now than when it was stock.

Hi Fred~

h2owarriorn is right.....there is a transom notch that you can't see in that pic.

gmhdfan..........I found that pic on HotBoat.net and thought it looked pretty funny. There is a discussion on there. Actually, I don't know $hit about that. I didn't know there was such a thing as "solid" or not solid axle until I saw that thread. I bet it was a tie-rod that broke. I'm just partial to Ford.....cuz that's what I have, and I really like the diesel.




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PhantomChaos....Dude, you are meesin with my computer. I have a couple of questions for you. 1. How do you get those huge pictures to post ? I have never been able to get that kind of quality and size. (please keep this to posting pics and nothing else:eek: ) 2. I cannot veiw the whole pic and see who posted it. It requires me to shift everything to the right. I have changed my screen settings but to get them set so I can see the whole pic, I cannot read my browser text.

Any advice would be apprecitated:rolleyes:

That's cool Nort you should be proud of your rig. To me it does look a little over loaded. But a Suburban would be more overloaded (it hurts to say that:) ) I just think a crew cab dually is the only way to go. Now if they just made a car wash that it would fit through :rolleyes: . But I do get a kick out of a die hard Ford guy that thinks the sun rises and falls on a Ford. Then jumps in bad ass go fast boat powered by Big Block Chevy motors? Ever wonder why all those cool old street rods and old Ford trucks run Chevy motors in them. I saw a old Ford pickup in Daytona at the Turkey rod run that said on the tailgate "Built Ford Tough with Chevy Stuff" :) :cool:

gmhdfan.... You truly are a GM fan:D :D

h2owarrior~

Sorry about that. It's an IMG link that sticks the picture in there. I have to move the screen over a little too, and I have my screen resolution at 1280x1024. I also have a 19" flatscreen so I can see the text. :)

Ford discontinuing the Excursion
 

Just Went to Ford dealer at Noon shopping for a used Ex or Burb and the salesman says Ford discontinuing the Excursion after 2003 said they will announce soon. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: Also they had two new ones for 2003 $46k and two used 2002$22k same equipment THAT IS A HELL OF A BITE FOR 2 years. Am I wrong here???:confused:

I had a 97 Burb(2500) with 7400 motor, sold it about 4 months ago with 200,000 miles..didn't burn a drop of oil. Changed every 5-8000 miles. Now have an 01 burb (2500) with the 8100. The 97 drove like a truck and the brakes sucked.

The 01 seems more like driving a car and GM fixed the braking issue.;) I have a good friend with a 00 F250 with a PSD. First off the 8100 will run circles around the PSD in everyday driving and towing "medium" weights (4-8000#). Don't know about the heavier weights because I haven't experienced a comparison.

Diesels are generally overkill in any application where heavy towing and/or 250,000+ miles are not going to be seen. First you pay A LOT of $$ upfront to get a diesel, second diesels are (at least) twice as expensive to maintain (2 injector pumps so far in my friends), diesels are noisy, fuel is generally more expensive and the milage pick-up (4-5) is going to take A LONG time to overcome the above issues. Diesels will last longer no question, but who do you know that puts 250,000+ miles on a vehicle before they trade it. :rolleyes: Business's, fleets, etc yes but very few of us ever will.

Run the numbers, you'll be suprised that the math will rarely work to justify the added expense. ;)