Ben Kramer Post
 

Last night OSO started a post about talking to him or would be,something to that effect. Now the post is gone. What's with that?

Could be, Troutly :) , but it just seemed strange that the board gods would poof a post that they started. Maybe visiting hours got changed :)

Troutly, man, your one funny dude!:D :D :D

Agreed Too Old!!:rolleyes:

FREE BEN KRAMER

hopefully that wasn't what poofed the last thread:D

We were forced to remove it due to copyright issues, sorry. Maybe one day we will be allowed to show it again.

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Not to sound like more of an idiot than I am, but who is BK?
:confused:

Anyone want to answer that one for him?

Bobby, your on-line. Enlighten him!!

Wait a second, I have to get the popcorn and beer :)

Hope this isnt' going to open a can of worms, was just curious.

Never mind. Just searched and see Apache. Would take forever to bring me up to par on this one.
Just never followed the Apache stuff.

Well, my popcorn got cold before anyone posted what Ben is best known for.:)

Mr. Kramer is a guest of the United States government, currently residing in Terre Haute Indiana. Beside the boat business, he had a lucrative pharmacutical importing trade. He also was responsible for the murder of Don Aronow if I recall correctly.

He did not work and play well with others...

i have the tape of american speed and beauty, if anyone is interested in viewing it i would gladly make copys to pass around.

thanks to OSO for going through so much effort to try to make this tape available for everyone to see, to bad the lawyers have the final say:(

horseplay 3 , read speed kills , if you have'nt already, ben took a plea to get out of a certain jail, i do not know if he did it for sure, aronow had many sides that only came to light after his death.

I found these links if anyone is interested in OLD news
http://www.njppc.com/OldOffshoreStor...erarrested.htm

http://www.njppc.com/OldOffshoreStor...Sept261996.htm

Naw, I know who Don is. He learned everything about high performance boat building from Reggie. :D :D

Wow, that's only 2 hrs from me. I go through TH every so often. Don't know what government building is there, but I do know they have a prison. ;)

There is a new movie coming out with Ben in it.............. :D :D :D :D http://www.vxi.cc/1-hit.jpg

:D :D :D

PC & Troutly,

:D :D :D

If anyone wants a history lesson I would suggest the book on tape Blue Thunder How the Mafia owned and finally murdered Cigarette boat king Don Aronow by Thomas Burdick. There are quite a few names mentioned in this book that seem to be coming up quite frequently on the board lately. I found a copy at the local library. Unbelievable!

Dan

:D :D :D

candyman35

most of what burdick said in bluethunder has been proven to be untrue, read speed kills probably much more accurate.

yes, as reggie has claimed many times, when he was 3 years old he was don aronows mentor and designed the 41 apache:p

:D :D :D Even at three he was impressive!

I guess I need to go back to the library.

Thanks,
Dan

too old,

neither book paints a pretty picture of aronow as well. funny how history distorts reality:)

You fountain guys are all the same :chimp: :chimp: :D

Reggie isn't qualified to build the cup holders in an Aronow designed boat.

Does anybody know where I can get a copy of the book "Speed Kills"? I checked a few of the online stores (Amazon etc..) and they all say that it is no longer available.

Reading all the books will give you the best ability to decide for yourself which is the most accurate.

Candy,

it is unbelievable... untrue also which is why the publisher pulled it from thier inventory. Burdick and the prob. officer who he quotes regularly are wanna be's. Thier slighting of DA is completely untrue.

I got Speed Kills from the local library. Had to wait about a week.

Speed Kills can be found on ebay most anytime. Search words, Don Aronow,

I`ve bought 2 copies in the past year.although I don`t even have 1 at the moment. People never return books???:(

Unbelievable! Exactly! The story was definitely out there. It was very interesting and I would still recommend the audio version of Blue Thunder. You don't have to believe everything you hear to find something interesting. I plan to read Speed Kills next. I find these stories interesting but not concrete enough to judge a person or person’s life. Are there any books you would recommend on the early days of Offshore?

Dan

SEARACE by john crouse is the bible of offshore, get it.

Saber28,
Thanks for the suggestion.
Dan

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Yes. Check it out here

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Just found a Copy of Speed Kills in Canada it's on it way, I Hope :D

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I've read "Speed Kills" but I don't remember it painting Aronow in a particularly bad light, unless you're talking about the womanizing and selling businesses knowing he'd have to take them back and keep the buyers downstroke. Or selling to a known felon/drug dealer while he had active government contracts to build drug interdiction boats and that the sale would void those contracts so he could take the business back or start another boat company to get the contracts back for himself making the former business he'd sold worthless. Otherwise, I don't think it put Don in a bad light. Business is business, right?


Wasn't there a History channel piece done on this and aired recently. History Channel or Speed Channel or some "Channel" anyway.

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shoulda deleted it quickly :D