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I also found that 15-50 M1 1 gal was off the shelves in all 3 walmarts around here. Only quarts. How's 10-40 M1 ? They still have it in gal's

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Do your homework on oils, you'll find by far the most superior and highest grade of oil for marine use is SWEPCO oils. Have done alot of research as well as talked to several engine builders who now swear by it. Call Sepco and compare their data and oil analysis tests with all other, I have several friends who swore by royal purple who have now changed over and have experienced prolonged friction protection, higher WOT speeds, The oil is as good with 25 hours as it is brand new. Do some research and you'll never use anything else. Wiggler

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Lube base stocks (of petroleum origin) continue to constitute a major part of today's lubricant. These are complex mixtures of paraffinic, aromatics and naphthenic hydrocarbon type molecules, ranging in carbon number from 14 to 40+.

Different processing configurations involving replacement of dearomatisation, dewaxing and hydrofinishing steps have been developed. Hydrocracking / hydroisomerisation enabled the refineries to produce High Viscosity Index (designated as VHVI or X-HVI) paraffinic base stocks / oils that are comparable in performance to synthetic base fluids. Paraffinic base stocks are preferentially used to formulate most of the world's automotive and industrial lubricants, including engine oils, transmission fluids and gear oils, due to their better oxidation stability, higher viscosity index and lower volatility relative to comparable viscosity grade naphthenic base oils.

http://swepcousa.com/lubesite/products/h306.htm

They are "paraffinic base stock oils" and are considered group III bases and not PAO's or esters. Supposedly, though....American Airlines uses them in their jets..

I would like to see what additives it has..it's an $8.00/qt oil I believe. Why use it over a PAO or ester?

This compnay makes mostly industrial products and is looking at expanding?

We need data and some UAO's of virgin oil.

Not sure.

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They are shuffling the line up... You should see the 15w50 back on the shelves soon.

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Also if you want. I can hook you up with an ExxonMobil distributor in your area. Sometimes we can beat the deals that are at Walmart. I think a few OSOers on here can attest to that. PM me and I can get you a list of where you are at. If you are in Indiana, we can try and take care of you.

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Craig...what is your scoop on Swepco?

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Been around a long time and have never heard of them?!?!

Wait, I am only 24... I asked my old man. He worked for Mobil b/f he purchased the business. He's been around for 30 plus years with GPI and Mobil. Never heard of them either.

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Most nobody on Bob's site knows about this product that was only available commercially and now offered for automotive use. I don't know a thing about it...I like to know first...how much ZDDP? What detergents? etc...

Maybe sticking with a tried and true product is for you... and you know what they are by now......maybe you like to try new things...up to ya 'all :D

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Craig is one of the good guys on the board.
His price on V-Twin is excellent and he is a
trustworthy individual.
Dennis

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Great to hear ! ... I guess this change will be M1 10-40 ...

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Swepco is less than 6$ quart. I'll have my rep post the exact specs on the oil. The ingredients are labeled on the product. They use the absolute best ingredients available. Not asking everyone to believe me, just check it out for yourself. There are OEM's using it exclusively. It works , Several of us high performance LOTO boaters have changed and love it, picked up 2 mph with Swepco oils. call them and they'll tell you what you want to know.

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How about posting the ingredients... :D

The base is close to equal to a PAO...it's a refined conventional oil....need to know detergents...antiwear additives..friction modifiers...viscosity improvers...TBN...HTTP...cSTs@100*C...
...NOAK Volatility....if esters are added...anti-corrosion additives and Flash Points and fire points.

I DO have all that information on:

Mobil-1 products
Amsoil products
Redline Products
Penzoil Products
Kendall Products
Exxon products
Castrol Prodcts
A few Royal Purple products they are a Grade 2 carrier 20% and then 80% PAO...a bit unusual but good as they have lots of ZDDP...moly too.

No data....no gonna try ...

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it feels slick.... :D :D and its a pretty purple kinda color.. :D

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Slick is from whatever friction modifier is in it...most use moly...

The purple in Royal Purple is just a dye I was told. This may be too.

Marketing 101...looks pretty :D


Why aren't the oil guys on bob's site interested in looking into this product? They taked about it a bit then stopped. I am not sure paraffinic based oils interest them all that much. I don't know a whole lot about these bases...they are decent....I do want to know the additives in it....and the chemical heat and shear properties before saying anything more.

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i know some of the guys running this stuff and they seem to swear by it and it seems to work okay in big HP motors...

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I will check around for some data if not available I may buy some and have it analyzed.

Nothing goes in "my pan" until I see the specs.

Swepco "features"...

Contains DIMONYL.....what is that?

Contains organic Moly which plates all vital metal surfaces...how much..too much can flat-top?? with a friction reducing film.

Highly effective anti-oxidant additive.....which ones??

Increases chemical and thermal stability of any oil...in what way?

Need to know:

VI
HTTP
TBN
NOAK Volatility
Base stock grade
Additives
Flash Point
Fire Point

With oil either you have the specs and know or it's an advertising game. This could be great stuff...let's get the information.

So far we know it's slick..Purple..OEMs have been given some probably..and a few stories..

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I'll call the National Sales Rep in the mourning and have him post all the info you requested and his number. He is very sharp and can explain all the features and every partical in the formula. He loves and believes in the product. Nortech for one has done extensive testing with thiis oil and dynoed with and without it, tested viscosity after use, checked friction and have saw horsepower gains, I dont see alot of 1150+hp motors running 200 hours before even checking them. I believe the oil and maintenance sc hedule is huge on the longevity of the motor. We are the dealer at loto for it. I'll send you a free case, if it does'nt outperform your current oil and your oil analysis at 20 hours is'nt awesome , Its your for free. That was the deal I was made, Swepco is 100% confident in their product and after using it I know why. Just looked at the oil after 20 hours with 2 well respected mechanics and they could'nt believe how well its held up.

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I see swepco is only 5.25 a qt for 20/50 on drivewerks website for anyone interested,Smitty

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Swepco has the OEM's. I thought XOM has the market cornered with them.. Maybe not. Everyone is always switching.

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Hopefully we will get some users to run hard on big blower motors and see what things like like on teardown.

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I got a million e-mails about SWEPCO and what a "paraffinic" base is.

An oil can be synthesized in one of two fashions... totally made from scratch using ester base stocks as Jet A/V oil is made..or...from conventional oil and then synthesized or changed using chemical processes. Parafinnic bases are SIMILIAR to a PAO product but not to an ester product. They generally are thus comparable to much of what the base-stocks of Amsoil; Royal Purple; Mobil-1 and Penzoil Platinum etc. offer in the way of basestock performance. Which is fine.

The question is what additives are in it?

Sounds like a lot of moly as it is a "slick oil" as some have suggested. That would be similar then to Royal Purple which has lots of moly and ZDDP as well. RP has been shown to reduce drag and increase HP by reducing friction. A lot of moly makes an oil act "weird" I am told if and when mixed with gasoline from blow-by. POA's mix with gas well and so do products with heavier ester bases such as Redline.

I personally like a balanced oil....heavy on the ZDDP...a solid base that can handle 450-500*F...good detergents like boron and calcium...a moderate dose of moly if any is fine...and good dispersant's as well.

I think redline as many of Bob's foks do as well has a very heavy detergent additive package which includes silicon and aluminum...along with a lot of moly... Some say RP has too much moly...it seems after much work that Amsoil Series 2000 and 3000 products and many of the Mobil products have the balance I am looking for.

I hear the guys at Sterling looked at how oils mix with gas in blown engines...I heard today they are still using Mobil-1.

Pick what you like..just be informed is my motto.

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Synthetic in cases and conventional oil for internal combustion, land or sea.

I never run out of protection or money this way and I have excellent success.

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Yes, Mobil 1

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I dont use it in everything due to cost.. But synthetic is hands down better than fossil !

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Synthetic in motors, drives, transmissions, etc.
Amsoil all the way!!!!
Synthetic oil is used by NASA, military, racing, aircraft, etc.

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The military switched to synthetics because their vehicles are in storage for long periods of time and the synthetics protect during storage better as the flim strength is retained for longer periods of time...plus doing frequent oil changes while in battle is rough.

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I've been running Brad Penn oil in my 750 hp blower motors strictly because my engine builder recommended it. When running fresh oil (I change oil every 10 hrs) my oil pressure would be 50 psi at 4000 rpm, oil temp 220 degrees. after the oil had 7-8 hrs of hard running, my oil pressure would drop when the oil got hotter than 200 degrees. I'm sure the oil was breaking down as when I let it cool, the oil pressure would return to normal. I've not had the oil tested but I'm pretty sure this oil was all done at 10 hrs.

From reading Hydro's posts on Mobile 1, I decided to switch. :D I'm now running M1 15-50 and I'm just plain floored at the dramatic difference in oil pressure when oil temps rise. I just took a half hour run and held oil temps at 220 degrees, the Mobile one was a full 20 psi more oil pressure than what I was running before. Even at 230 degrees (before the cooler) oil pressure held steady at 70 psi @4000 rpm. :drink:

Mobile 1 rocks!!!!

Kurt

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I went from dino to M-1 15/50 and saw similar results, then switched to the v-twin 20/50 and saw an additional 10psi at hot idle.

V-Twin really rocks :D

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I was going to try the v-twin but I could not find it anywhere .

I'll try to order some for the next oil change.

How does M-1 handle fuel dilution?

Kurt

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I'm not qualified to answer that in any meaningful terms, however, M-1 has an unparalleled record with it's synthetic oils in racing applications, also v-twin is made for Harley's which are very bad about contaminating the oil with fuel, then overheating it. :D

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I just bought 3 cases of V-twin (6 qts per case) 49.00/case.

Anyone bought the v-twin for less than 8 bucks/qt?

Kurt

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Mercury Marine told me that if I don't use their oil & their filter it will void my warranty on my new long blocks. I am a big fan of Mobil 1 & have used it for years. I only use Mobil 1 in my Sutphen & when my warranty is up on the Cig it will get 8 qts.of the good.

Every Mercedes we service only gets Mobil 1. Thats what Mercedes recommends.

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I use it in my 496HO

$7.89/Qt at the Navy exchange.

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Not sure about the filter issue, however I believe they can not legally void a warranty if you use an oil with the same or better API rating with the same weight.

Any one else?

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Letter from Amsoils website

Special Letter From AMSOIL To Your Car/Truck/Motorcycle/Boat/Snowmobile/ Small Engine, etc.. Dealership:

Dear, Mr. Service Manager (actual name you supply will be put here),

It has come to our attention that you (or employee's name) have been informing our mutual customers that the use of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils voids your manufacturers' warranty. This claim is not true. Please review the following facts about warranties and AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils.

Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) recommend consumers use lubricants of the proper viscosity grade and service classification. Any oil, whether it's petroleum oil or synthetic, may be used without affecting overall warranty coverage. OEMs pay or deny warranty claims based on findings of failure analysis. To affect the vehicle warranty, the lubricant must be directly responsible for the failure. If the oil did not cause the problem the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of the brand of oil used, or the length of time or number of miles the oil was used. To flatly inform customers that the use of AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil voids their warranty is not true, is not supported by any OEM and damages AMSOIL INC.

Synthetic motor oil was introduced to the automotive public in 1972 by AMSOIL INC., with its introduction of the world's first API (American Petroleum Institute) rated synthetic motor oil. Since then, every major engine oil manufacturer has followed AMSOIL's lead and has introduced synthetic oils of their own. AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils exceed the most demanding worldwide performance standards. They are specially formulated for long service and provide superior performance and protection to that provided by conventional oils, and can be installed and used with complete confidence. AMSOIL INC. offers our customers warranty coverage and provides the proper insurance to cover an oil related failure, should one ever occur.

We appreciate your attention to this matter and anticipate there will be no further intimidation of our customers by your insuring no one implies or states that the use of AMSOIL products will "void" their warranty coverage. Thank You.

AMSOIL INC., Customer Service Division

cc: Legal Department

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I use 15/50 Mobile 1 synthetic only.

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Me too. I wish it was easier to get the 5 qt containers. The local Walmart is always hit and miss. They usually dont have the EP in the large containers. Only the regular stuff. $7/qt is killing me.

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So is it Vtwin?? or EP 15/50 for stock HP500's carb motors with 300 hrs.

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I had a mercury motor throw a rod under waranty this summer. The only question the merc rep had for the marina servicing my claim was what oil I was running. Of course I replied mercury oil. End of that merc gave me a new long block and paid all the labor charges. I am a firm believer in the benefits of synthetic but a fight over the bill is not really worth it for me.

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LOL!! Agreed!! I use Merc's synthetic blend.