If that is indeed true Nort............there is no excuse for that.....that is exactly what I am talking about.......It is in extremely poor taste.....given the history......unbelievable...........What merit is there in introducing his son?? His son is innocent I understand that, but should Stu be bringing him up on stage to pull a stunt like this.........I dont know....I think common sense would prevail.....but that is just my opinion I guess.....

I don't think Stu thought that would happen, and also probably regrets it. After all, Ben's kid didn't do anything and looked like he might have been 10 when the $hit hit the fan.

Stu's head was probably spinning from all the other distractions on stage moments before. :D :D :D

So, he brings the kid up? WHY? What reason in the world would he bring the kid up and show him off? We know the answer, and it's REALLY stupid. I just can't believe that someone, ANYONE, would even think about that. Not even considering the kids position, WHY in the hell would anyone with even HALF a brain do it? Man, now i have heard everything!:mad:

Regardless of your opinions of Benny... please leave Lou out of this dicussion.
He was a little boy when his dad went away.
He's a good guy...leave him be please!

Hans

FACT 1. SACCENTI DOES NOT HAVE A 47 MOLD AS WE SPEAK

FACT 2. THE "APACHE POWERBOATS" THAT ALL THIS HISTORY CAME FROM IS OWNED BY MCMANUS....TRADEMARK PAPERS PROVES THAT

FACT 3. SACCENTI IS "APACHE PERFORMANCE BOATS" AND/OR "WARRIOR POWERBOATS" SO I WAS LAST INFORMED.

ANYTHING ELSE? ALL THIS OVER A SIMPLE QUESTION WHICH WAS NOT ANSWERED YET....

Sling -

Dr. Santiago answered the question....

Hans

MUST HAVE MISSED IT, THANKS DR. SANTIAGO

Sling, you may want to re-investigate a few of your comments, they are not all accurate. You may have been "last informed" too long ago.

OK WELL MAYBE....CARE TO ENLIGHTEN ME ON WHICH ONES, OR IS THAT A SECRET THAT MUST BE KEPT ON HE OSO BOARD

spitfire, don't get to bent about the sig. on my posts, it's just a joke designed to get this type of thread going:D

i do admire ben for his racing efforts, the man had some BALLS;)

Nort, I was just as suprised. He was introduced as a celebrity.

Rockstrmkr, I agree he should've been left completely out of it.

Joke or no joke.....it is in bad taste......especially on this website.......

Hey Payton!

I know.....weird. Anyway, the only celebrity at the FPB Party was my Johnson. :D :D :D :D

whether you like it or not mr. kramer was a large player in the early days of apache, from financing to racing. without him apache would not have it's bad boy image that makes them popular to this day.

Sling

The fact is only Bobby Saccenti is Apache And he does Employ Professional Boat-Builders on Staff. with that said:

With the tooling now at Apache we could build to 50'. Now as for a one-off the imagination/money would be the only limit I could see.

I agree with you that his presence was felt in the early days on the racing circuit......but I think that Bob Saccenti had just as much to do with the success as Ben did.....true...he did come to the table with the financial backing....but aside from that...from what I have heard ,he certainly had few redeeming qualities.......and I wouldnt try qualifying your post script in that manner......

again the sig. line is a joke, lets just say i like the pot (what a choice of words) well stirred with a touch of controversy to keep it interesting around here:D

maybe my next post will be a reggie bash:p

We all know who Ben Kramer really is..........

http://www.vxi.cc/1-hit.jpg

28 you did a reggie bash before remember!!

:confused:
Apache has NO secrets and the length of the Apache thread proves it.

YUP , and it was fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WELL YOU BEING A PRO YES THAT IS TRUE, AND I WOULD FEEL COMMFY IF YOU BUILT ME A BOAT,:D

WITH MONEY NOT AN OBJECT I GUESS YOU COULD BUILD ANYTHING:eek:

LOL 28 I seem to recall it went on for a couple days.

NOT TRUE, i saw Steve1 build a 33' cat on a showstring budget...and it won the World Championship with NO testing, first time in the water, and with a pair of 200 Mariners...and it ran against the BEST of that class in ROUGH water!

At least this didn't turn into a Michigan get-together, no posse Saber?

he's probably the one thing you and i agree on, just goes to show you that people from all sides of the political spectrum hate R.F.:D

becca don't understand your post??:confused:

HEY STEVE(S) IF IT IS TRUE THAT BOBBY CAN BUILD A 47, GET ME A PRICE ON A 47 HULL AND DECK, READY FOR RIGGING IF YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT- SIX PACK COCKPIT....

Sit tight, will have you something very soon...it will be listed on the website. ;)

FAIR ENOUGH, IF TODD REALLY HAS THE ONLY MOLD, I REALLY AM NOT KNOCKING IT I JUST WOULDNT BUY ONE UNTIL HIS QUALITY WAS PROVEN, BECAUSE I DONT THINK HE HAS MUCH EXPERIENCE BUILDING BOATS....NOTHING AGAINST HIM

Why all the mystery?

Jon

i dont have a clue what you are taking about:confused:

ALL IT TAKES IS MONEY!!!!!!

Not to get ya'll ticked-off but, your term "SIT TIGHT WILL HAVE SOMETHING FOR YOU SOON" is almost long overdue. Just a personal observation.

I have seen the mold once or twice in like a picture or something.:D:D:D Or maybe it was in person. Remind me to forget, PLEASE!:D:D:D:D:D

All this **** over one simple little question
Robert

Who has Evelyn Dahl
 

I thought she was selling the old hull mold? :frog: :frog:

McManus made a 51 ft "hull" mold out off Kemosabi and he still has it.

We need to hear from Mcmanus.

who's on first?????? ;)

Srobak... As far as i can see the mold is still in our shop.... Please, if you dont know the facts my firend you had better stick to the us marine/ bayliner/ searay thread