no attitude....just a "been there, done that" attitude..

And its ActiveThunderTodd, not "Guy" been on here since the beginning

Dammit! When did Maryland move to Virginia? Turn your back for one minute, and people are moving states on ya!

See folks, this is what's wrong with public education these days... :D

WOW:eek: OSO was becoming kind of boring then WHAM, out of nowhere come these accusations about an AT and everyone jumping all over Audacitly and the new kid on the block actually going after ATTodd:p :p And all this in the same thread.......I am definitely going to renew my memebership:D :D


Waterspeed.....Where did you get this info. I knew of the other two incidents before I purchased my AT, but hey, you've got inside info on another. Please share it or shut the ****-up

X-Caliber.......Great way to get acquainted with the OSO crowed....Keep up the good work......:rolleyes:


Audacity, I applaud you.....Dude you are truly living up to your name.......and though I do not put you on the pedestal others do....or throw you under the bus like others do.......I do like your consistency:D :D

waterspeed used to race the F2 37' OL "wild child" with DJD, so he has some experience with fast boats.

AT comments,
dunno if it happened or not. It woudl seem radio active is in fine condition in storage at its caretaker's place. All boat will spins or barrel roll given the right cirrcumstances. Hell i almost got wasted in an (origonal) apache.

donzi comments,
parts break, drivers screw up. It all happens when your racing. I'm not placing blame BUT arguing over the superfine details is meaningless, unless your running the development program and workgin the kinks out of a new product. And all new Products ESPECIALLY race products have kins in them.

back to my position in sweden..........

oh as for my comment on the apache its didn't spin or roll but it sure fell like it was going to be a problem. All 3 passengers felt that way, unfortunaly the driver wasn't in tune with the rest of us.........

We were all fine and made it back to shore to change our drawers.

What a great thread....glad to hear no one got hurt anywhere in this thread.
But so far i love this quote the best...


Is that Donzi that much better? As for those whimpy drives, Aren't all the other guys using those too?

Keep bustin stuff, spinin out, and rollin over so we have something to bust your balls over...just don't kill yourself for our amusement.

puder,

what's going on?? everything in these last 2 posts is spelled correctly. are you ok??:D

Not quite:)


It woudl seem radio active is in

i really don't think the drive was defective what-so-ever...we are just using it in an application it was never intended for. so to answer your question it's really not a donzi or a merc thing.

"do we have another multiple id posting going on here???"...sorry to disappoint ya...i do not hide or play games like that....most have my cell # on this board and can call me directly.

"I do like your consistency"....thanks (i think)

Ahhh - The Fond du Lac Artificial Reef Building program continues.... I'm sure that it was replaced under warranty. :rolleyes:

Too Old's right about his conspiracy theory - Merc wants everybody to runs 6's, not Bravos... ("The money.....the money...") ;)

Joey - glad you're OK. Those "school of hard knocks" lessons really drive the point home, don't they?

"school of hard knocks" lessons really drive the point home, don't they?"....i don't understand....

what i do understand is we need to do more homework. we need to save crashing and busting parts for practice and not in the race...that's always true but we only get one mulligan in this series....and we just used it.

I meant your spin, as opposed to the "theory" that there might have been a problem. Nothing like that kind of experience :eek: to reinforce the message and impart a sense of urgency, is there?

In the long run it will be much much cheaper to run #6s in a racing program and merc will make less $$$. You can't just look at the equipment cost, the #6s is a lot cheaper to maintain throughout a race season. Everyone who runs a bravo should, some do, go through the drive after every race. #6 drives don't contribute to the reef program either. Also, you need to consider other damage when you break a bravo like damage to the boat, steering system, etc.

Ain't that the truth !! :o :o

C, you have missed my point...in no way shape or form are we looking to blame something or someone other than ourselves! in the end we are the only ones to blame...set-up, driving, throttling, trimming...it all comes back to us...we win as a team and lose as a team and share equal responsibility.

crashing is just part of racing....it's not the first time and chances are it's not going to be the last. again we accept the responsibilities and consequences.

i agree with mr v. i would rather run #6's....SV should totally use them!

OK, whose MD/VA area AT rolled over? I only know of one such person in this area to fit the profile, who races, and has an AT for pleasure, and I am faily confident I would know if it has rolled.

hey joey,
any word on rick's boat, any damge??

no....we really didn't get a chance....what happened to him anyway???we worked our asses off from the the moment the hatch came up and didn't stop till everything was done around 10ish...we really wanted to get to the awards and support all the other racers! but it just was not in the cards.

I heard from the friend of a step-brother of a second cousin of an Active Thunder owner that his boat 'almost' had a problem somewhere near Maryland,....... or was it Nova Scotia?............he thought that may have been in the last seven years or so............ :crazy: :confused: :p
:D

LOL!!! Brilliant!! :D :D :D :D

ecaliber or nefarious or........whoever you are today, PM me you real name and a phone number where I can contact you and I will be more than happy to answer any questions, or if you prefer I can have Pat call you back as well.

ahhhh, silence...

Is there an "anti Active Thunder" movement going on? I must have missed that one.

I'm not sure that there is any true anti-Audacity sentiment either, but this forum requires you to put up or shut up...... It's a big part of what makes it so useful and informative.... Joey has boasted a bit about his boat, his abilities, and his drive...... He is also a "tech editor" on a boating magazine and with that comes a certain professional responsibility...and expectation of journalistic even handedness. At the same time he has been less than flattering in some of his comments about others. I chalk all of this up to lack of experience, and youthful exuberance (In fact as a young racer... I was worse....), but it has hurt his credibility... maybe undeservedly so...but no one said life (or boating) is fair.

We are all glad he wasn't hurt....... no exceptions. Many of us are skeptical that he learned the primary lesson that an accident like that should teach, to objectively avoid a repetition.... with enough humility and gratitude for the safe outcome.

My only point here (and disageement with Joey)...... is his trivialization of accidents as "just part of racing". I chalk this up to his aforementioned youth and a misplaced machismo present in a lot of boat racers over the years. While there is no doubt that accidents will happen....... the vast majority are avoidable...and more importantly..... technology improvements must continually occur to minimize injuries or fatalities. This will happen only if we continually raise the safety bar...and never accept these incidents as "inevitable"....... I can point to a number of fatal accidents (but not in a public forum) that were clearly preventable using the technology available at the time of the death...... and that makes me angry and sad at the same time.

Joey may counter that his family is willing to "take the risks", but ask any of the widows at the many funerals I have been to while burying good friends.... if they were "willing" to permanently sacrifice their loved one to an avoidable accident.... and you get a whole different sense of the gravity inherent in this topic.

I congratulate Joey on his racing career, and sincerely wish him both success........ and humility. He will benefit greatly from both.

T2x

T2x, "youth and a misplaced machismo"...this is really far from the truth and you really have no idea who i am or what i'm about...but you can have your opinion.

"I chalk all of this up to lack of experience, and youthful exuberance "...again this proves you have no idea of my background!

T2x, you seem to have me all figured out. How about take the time to come to a race and met me in person? I think you would have a very different opinion...till then you can speculate all you want about who i am and what i'm about.

H20warrior....read my previous posts about where I heard it. If you knew how to read, and followed the thread, you might realize that it was most likely a bad rumor from a stemming from the spin-out in Marathon...

I too know of the Pompano roll-over two years ago...Kevin Erams F2 boat during testing..(Kevin was NOT in the boat)]


As for the one in Maryland/Va....hadn't heard of that one til today!

Great Thread, I am still laughing
 

Fred, I had no idea you were this funny! As this thread unfolds you keep outdoing yourself. Where are you finding those cartoons?

Philip:)

Just goes to show you, you can't believe everything you read on the Internet...

funny i met my current wife from a online dating service...she still pissed about all my lies!

Glad to see that Audacity is back up on a plane.:)

Originally posted by T2x.... 30 days ago

It now seems we have a generation of guys who, aspiring only to be "like Don Aronow", standing in a cockpit two or three abreast.....and believing they have a world class skill set without training.......are racing in 30-40 ' vees at or above 100 mph. What they don't realize, and apparently don't want to learn, is that Mr. Aronow raced at speeds between 40 and 65 mph during his entire career.....and the vee bottom designs he helped to pioneer were never intended to go straight at these speeds .....much less turn.

However if you must barrel into race turns at ballistic speeds, with stern drives spinning backwards, and bubbles ooozing out of your steps....( the current "hot" setup) at the very least you need to have some frame of reference in the basics of mass, momentum, hyrodynamics, course correction, and surface adhesion limits.......all of which can be learned with plenty of seat time in a smaller boat.

So instead of patting yourselves on the back while waiting for your drives to be put back on......or worse...... spend some time around the "little guys".... you just might learn a thing or two.

T2x[/Quote]

Yes Joey....... I seem to have you all figured out.

T2x

"at the very least you need to have some frame of reference in the basics of mass, momentum, hyrodynamics, course correction, and surface adhesion limits"...once again no real idea of my background

"patting yourselves on the back while waiting for your drives to be put back on"....where do you get that?????????...we TOTALLY looking at ourselves to blame....NO ONE ELSE,,,NO parts or manufatures,,,NO other racers.... JUST US!!AND we are not waiting around for some drives.

where do you come up with this stuff???LOL

While reading Joey's response to T2x's post #115, I started to look for T2x's reference to Joey's "Misplaced Machismo", I started to review, I found "Lack of Experience" in the first paragraph, I also found "Youthful Exuberance" in the second paragraph, but no reference to the "Misplaced Machismo" I read again, very slowly, and there it was, smack dab in Paragraph Three. "Misplaced Machismo"
:D

Hey Philip,

You goin' to SkaterfestIII?

Audacity,

My friend, because you have an engineering degree and work in the automotive industry, that in and of itself does not qualify you as an expert in the field of hydrodynamics et. al. With all due respect, you must understand that you are speaking with people who have not only designed, built and rigged some of the fastest and most successful race boats in histpry, they have also attained a great deal of success in the offshore racing world as well.

Certainly, no one is perfect. However, coming from someone who for many years was as boisterous as you are, being passionate is admirable. Being arrogant is another. I too Joey, have seen in the past how your strong mind and will have not always been articulated in the most humble or congenial fashion. Certainly, the same can be said for myself at times in the past and I am surely not proud of it. However, I have learned that you get more bees with honey. You can still be passionate and vocal. You can be poised and respectful. You needn't be arrogant and cocky. Being proud of who you are and what youhave accomplished is a very good thing. However, when taken to far it is surely not becoming.

Just some thoughts and maybe helpful hints for the future. Best of luck racing and be safe.

Shane

P.S. Yes I have raced and have a few checkered flags to my name. And I was EXTREMELY fortunate to get my start in a Shadow Cat designed and built by T2x and throttled by Nicky Cutro. There is a guy for whom I have a tremendous amount of respect for. He is as honest as the day is long, knows his stuff and can run a boat just as well as anyone I have ever seen. Unfortunately, sometimes it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool...

Hi Shane
 

Hi Shane, how are you? Yes Kim and I plan to be there. Fred's posts on this thread are the greatest. Where does he get those cartoons? I do have to say, I have seen a slight change in your posts since the begining. You now are one of the boards "Elders". In "Knowledge" not years. T2x is the eldest Elder. Some of the greatest are here on OSO, many champions, past and present.

Philip

Re: Hi Shane
 

Thanks Philip. It is amazing how few know who you really are! Yeah, Fred is a piece of work isn't he? Tell Kim I said hi, and tht I will give her my best at Skaterfest!:p ;) J/K of course.:)

Don't forget George Linder.... and a laminating genius named Larry Wirtzberger. Without those two the Shadow Cat would have been a mere "shadow" of what it became;)

AND.............

Without Ken Adam's, George and I would have had no successful
"conquests".....with our Conquests.

T2x

:D :D :D :D Good thread!!!!

Well said Shane. ;)

by no means do i think i fully understand hydrodynamics...fact is we still trying to lean more every day.

i have no idea who T2x is...but he is more than welcome to come on out and help with our program...would love to see him at the races helping other teams with his knowledge as well...knowledge is kinda useless unless you can share it...but that's just my opinion.

we chose to be apart of todays racing. we are making a lot of effort to see it go in a positive direction...anyone can sit behind a computer and criticize the APBA/Mike A., Merc Racing, step hull manufactures, and racers of today all they want...but they really need to get up from the computer and be part of the solution. i don't doubt for one second that there is a ton of people in here that can provide knowledge to better this sport.

T2x says spend some time with the "little guys"....well i'll bite...tell me when and where i can get some seat time in any race boat and i'll make time to lean, if someone is willing to teach.