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Old 07-20-2003, 07:48 PM
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I think they were testing in the late afternoon(still light) the news channels didn't show up until dark. Don't judge I'm sure Jo and Pepe will let you know but right now I don't believe OSO is high on their priority list.
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Old 07-20-2003, 09:07 PM
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Joe and Pepe frequently test in the early evening, there is less boat traffic and they work all day. When I bought my boat from them we tested until the sun was going down and got back to the ramp at dark. Joe would not run a boat hard in the dark
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It doesn't get dark until 8:30p.m. this time of year. The time Jo took me out he wore an inflatable life vest, we were going 70 in 2-4' seas the boat handled very nicely and Jo was very much in control at all times. He is very concerned with safety and a complete professional. If anyone goes to the Pantera section you will see that Jo was taught to drive a race boat at a young age, he also knows the waters in Biscane Bay very well.
I pray the find what they hit. I think it might help some people realize that it was an accident, I for one do not need any proof. (this is not directed to anyone on OSO but the to previous mention of pressing charges)
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Old 07-20-2003, 09:27 PM
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My thoughts and prayers go out to all at this time.
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SCOT B & HERBERT SAID IT CORRECT,I HAVE TESTED NUMEROUS OF TIMES WITH JO AND I CAN SAY
THAT HE HAS NEVER CONDUCTED A TEST DRIVE
IN THE NIGHT,SO PLEASE REFRAME FROM ABSURD
ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT GETTING THE FACTS ON
A TRAGIC SITUATION.JO LEFT AT 4:45 PM AND RAN
THE BOAT LIKE HE HAS ALL HIS LIVE ALERT,SAFE
AND VERY AWARE OF ALL OBSTICLES IN HIS PATH.
NEVERTHELESS,THIS ACCIDENT HAPPENED AFTER
ON THE WAY BACK ON THE BAY AROUND 7:40PM
WHICH IS STILL DAYLIGHT NOT DARK.HERE IN MIAMI
IT DOESNT GET DARK UNTILL AFTER 8:30 PM I CANT
SAY FOR THE REST OF THE COUNTRY BUT HERE THAT
IS WHEN IT GETS DARK.I`M SURE JO FROM BEING WITH HIM IN TEST RUNS HAS ALWAYS TOLD ME TO WEAR MY LIFELINE JACKET AND I HAVE REFUSED,BEING AN ADULT HE CAN ONLY TELL ME NOT MAKE ME WEAR ONE.THE
LAST TIME JO AND I WENT ON A TEST RIDE IS WHEN
I BAUGHT MY 28 RACE BOAT AND THE FIRST THING HE TOLD ME WAS TO WEAR MY JACKET AND I REFUSED.JO
HANG IN THERE BRO,DONT LET ANY REMARK CHANGE
THE WAY YOU GO ABOUT WHAT YOU DO BEST.
ALL MY PRAYERS GO TO ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED.

ALBERT

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Old 07-20-2003, 10:40 PM
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Thumbs down OH MY GOD!!!

QUOTE "LIFEJACKETS, ITS NOT ABOUT
COOL OR UN COOL ITS NOT THE LAW TO WEAR ONE
SO DONT USE THIS ACCIDENT AS ONE THAT BECAUSE
LIFE JACKETS WERENT WORN A LIFE WOULD HAVE
BEEN SAFED. '

This has got to be absolutly, without a doubt, the most ignorant comment I have EVER read!
 
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X-Caliber, I think Albert is just venting some of his frustrations regarding this tragic event. He has since edited his post. Sometimes we say things in the heat of the moment and it comes across different than we think.
We may never know if a lifejacket would have saved a life here but chances are much greater if you are wearing one. Considering the ages of those involved, all too many times people that age think they are invinsible.
The thought of wearing a lifejacket on a boat to me used to be absurd, "hey, its only water, I am a great swimmer". I did some crazy **** with garveys and speed skiffs in my younger days and never with a jacket.
A few years later I am married with child and although most of my boating is cruising around without a lifejacket. I will be the first to admit that I occasionally gun it for short stints, but not after this eye opener. When I go out with every intention of running hard, never with my wife and kid, I wear a jacket and so does everyone on board. I only know Joe as a responsible and extremely talented boat operator and this tragedy sickens me. I can just pray those who read this come away with the same message as myself. I will wear my jacket whenever I even think about going fast.

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Unhappy Very sad news

Having been on the other side of a horrible experience like this, I simply would like to add to this thread that all families involved need support, not speculation.

Trying to figure out what happened doesn't do anybody anygood.

It is good however to simply post the facts of what happened.

Having spent a day in Miami at the Pantera factory with Jo and Pepe, I agree with all that has been said of the Pantera family and Jo.

These are good people with good intentions.

Prayer directed towards the grief of others does work.

Today, I will pray for Jo and all that are involved.

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Our thoughts and prayers are with all those involved and their families.
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