This video of an stock block APU Supra whipping a Suzuki 1300cc Busa. Enjoy

Roby

ftp://140.186.244.242/videos/Street/...sa%5B1%5D.mpeg

I have ridden shot gun in an 88 IROC-Z Camaro (not a yota, but still) Beat 2 busa's, a R6, but it did loose to a busa with spray, and it was about 2 feet in the 1/4.

Nice car, sorry I read your last response wrong.

Tommy

Don't forget about us HP-lovin' females!;)

The only way in hell that any IROC or import is going to beat a busa (or any modern sport bike for that matter) is if the guy on the bike stalls it at the line! Yes, there are "drag" cars that can match these bikes in acceleration, but VERY FEW STREET DRIVEN CARS with street tires. I have a heavily modified 3.6 turbo Porsche that won't even come close to staying with these bikes after they are moving. I've driven 750 hp Porsche 935's that weight less than 2200 lbs and even these cars still cant match the acceleration of the fastest sport bikes. And yes, I've spent plenty of time and money with the guys at Turbo Performance Center to know what heavily boosted Supras will do. Please show me these IROCS and imports that will consistently run 9 second or less 1/4 mile times that are street legal daily drivers running street tires. Assuming the guy riding the bike knows what he's doing there are very few street legal cars with street legal tires that can touch these bikes in acceleration!

My buddy has a Z06 run Englishtown Raceway every wed. He got thrown out for consistently running under 12. I got the video (wmv) of him running under 12 and smoking a viper.

Scroll up to post 46 and click the link, then come tell us what you saw. I have more where that came from.

Roby

Link doesn't work... is it just my computer?

I got it to work. Do you have Media player?

Roby

That video looks like something I saw one night in the skies over Roswell, New Mexico. Doesn't anybody street race during the day any more? All kidding aside just about any magazine I have ever read where they did a shoot-out between sports cars puts the Corvette up front because of value. It does not do everything perfect and is not the tops in every category. But it is at or near the top in all categories and when you consider price, which most of us have to, it wins hands down. Now if they could just get rid of some of that cheap plastic shizzit on the interior.....

Mike

I agree with SS930, I have had all kinds of sports cars and sport bikes and allot of the ones being discussed above. And none of them will come close to a 600-1100 sport bike both being stock. Nope not going to happen, its like comparing apples to oranges. Its just like boats HP to weight ratio.

WILL;)

At 70MPH that Busa has enough power to flip up over backwards in a double tucked somersault.

I can't tell if that guy shifted down or not, but regardless, he was not on it. I will give it to you, maybe he under-estimated the Supra, but that Busa could have walked him.

( You can PM NickSlick, and I am sure he will find video of him waxing an F-16 on his Busa. :D :D :D :D )

"I got it to work. Do you have Media player?

Roby"

Yes I do. For some reason I just get "The page cannot be displayed" display. It must have something to do with my settings on my network. I'll have to check it out tonight at home.

Anyway I hope you see my point. There just aren't many cars period that can match a sport bike in acceleration. Just look at the numbers:
A car (we'll say a Supra) that has 1000 hp (very optimistic in streetable tune!) and weights 4100 lb. (light for a twin turbo Supra), has a power to weight ratio of 4.1:1. That's stellar! Let's look at Suzuki's 1300cc Busa. Now I don't know the exact #'s for these bikes in STOCK form but I'll bet I'm not to far off if I say 525 lb. and 180 hp. That works out to 2.9:1. That's incredible!!! Just for comparison sake, a 3500 lb. Corvette with 355 hp. works out to 9.9:1. Quite a difference.

I'm not a huge vette fan, but you can't knock the bang for the buck that todays vette offers. Look at the weight of many of these 600 hp euro cars... many weigh as much as a 3/4 ton pickup truck! I'd love to see GM make a very limited run of wicked vettes just for bragging rights, but remember production GM cars must come with a warranty (and have longevity) and an understanding that they will be docile enough for daily driving. Sure there are plenty of cars out there that can clean the vette's clock, but there few that come with the warranty, comfort, styling, and overall balance / performance that can be had in a new $50,000 car. I'd take a Viper over a vette any day for sheer performance, but once you look at the refinement and comfort the Viper isn't in the same league.

LMAO :D:D:D

You guys are killing me. The poor little Supra that could can't win even with video proof. Okay I give it up. Back to boat chat.

Have a nice day
Roby :)

:D

Street legal, not a daily driver. This car was flat out insane. My legs were to tingly afterwad to get out, I was shaking. Had DOT approved slicks.

Talked dad into going 50 50 with me on a L03 motor... Hello 10's :D

The link did not work on my computer either. So I could not tell if he was a rider or a *** that has a busa.

Bring the Supra bring the Iroc and bring alot of cash. I'll let you pick the bike from 600-1300 cc's dead stop or a 70 mph roll. A 10sec Iroc is very fast and I am sure Hyper has rode in it, but I am more sure it wont run under an 11 of a traffic light and the bike's are still in the 9's. It's not traction the bike needs it's rider.

And bring a bus ticket because I'll own every thing by the end of the night.

Here is another horsepower lovin female:cool:

I know of a "Mr. Turbo" powered 1460 cc. ZX-12, street legal, driven on trips, will idle around a national park, no problems in traffic jams, and will run 8.2/8.3 quarter mile times all day long. He's a "pro" street racer, and has made enough money to build that bike a hundred times over again. He's never lost on the street. His secret is he NEVER races in his hometown or hometown area. Trailers it around the state and out of state and "brings home the bacon".

Point 1. Never compare crotch rockets with cars. The simple truth is that aside from special built models, there is no comparison for straight line speed. Power to weight ratio is too much of a difference.

Point 2. Never compare stock cars to modified cars. It is not fair to do this because the modified car gets an inherent advantage due to the specialty parts. The only way that this could work is if you set a cost limit and said, run what you brung as long as the cost does not exceed that limit. That is the only way that you could compare them. If the limit was say $75 k. Then you could say that for a total cost of $75 k, you could either have a bone stock viper, impressive as it is, or you could have a more affordable car with aftermarket tuning done to it. And I guarantee that the tuner will outperform the stocker. So yes, for the same price, a Lingenfelter Vette will smoke a stock Viper. But its not really fair to the viper. Heck, a lingenfelter vette will smoke a Hennesey Viper also. But these are specialty cars.

Point 3. Comparing Euro exotics to US cars is comparing Apples to Oranges in cost and nature of the cars. This is why you always see the mags trying to compare cars that are as similar as possible. Yes a Ferrari Enzo will smoke a Viper or a Vette but the realistic idea of actually acquiring one is gone. You have to stay realistic in price of vehicle and what it was meant to do.

Yes I am a vette fan but I appreciate all things fast. I do agree that the vette interior is cheap in appearance and feel. This has been a major complaint about it. But when you look at what it can offer at its price, it is something that you can live with.

By the way, the vette is considered world class. Keep tabs on the LeMan's racing series and watch as Vettes consistently beat Ferraris. Also, visit Germany and see how many Vettes you will see running on the Autobahn. They loved the ZR1's for this reason.

Just my 02.

Hey Rollwithit, I agree 100%. All this talk about 1000 hp Supra's and Ferraris and jap bikes, what the hell? Why not compare to 500 hp skateboards? Or being shot out of a cannon? The fact is a Corvette Z06 is without question the fastest, best handling, best braking all around car in the world for the money. We are talking stock vehicles here with 4 tires!:rolleyes: I don't know why this is even being disputed. This has been documented by all the major auto magazines for the past 2 years. How much faster can you get than 3.9 to 60 and 12.4 quarters out of a 50k STOCK vehicle? Sure I could take a 1997 Z-28 and drop in a blower motor and out drag a Z06, a Supra, a Viper and a Ferrari but then we aren't talking stock under 50k again are we?

My brother and I have been back and forth on this same issue. Rx7 TT, Supra TT or Vette. Which would be the better project... Well, it depends. Rx7s are certainly fun to drive but very unreliable when you throw 18lbs of boost into them. I have had several friends go through engines and trannys. Supras are great cars but to get a good 98' you are looking to pay somewhere in the 30s and then you have to start working on them. Horsepower for horsepower the Vette beats them all hands down. Which takes me to my next point... It is not cheap to build a true 800 HP Supra. On racingflix.com, the featured Supra is a single turbo running easliy 800 HP. The guy was running 11s in the 1/4 mile. This can be achieved by purchasing a 98 C5 for about 21-23k and slapping a supercharger on it. You will be running high 400s to low 500 hp at the crank and running in the 11s as well. Mind you, throw 2500 extra and you can do it in an automatic, all day long.
For me, all of these cars have their place. I would love to have one of each but for now... the C5 would be my choice.
Ps.. anyone seen the new Benz E55 AMG. 490 HP I think.. . That is nasty.

I just keep seeing the post about how cheep the vette interior looks and I agree to a point, but I have not seen anyone mention how really cheep a viper interior looks. I am sorry but it is much worse than a vette has ever been. That has been my biggest complaint about Vipers is there interior.

For those who can't view the video here is a link to the Toyota Hayabusa Killer. It was this car that inspired me to build mine very much the same way.

http://www.turboimports.com/darstrunhkst.html

You can talk power to weight all you want with bikes. I have beaten every bike I have ever raced from a roll, and have raced dozens. I don't fool with 0 to 60, as it is too hard on the triple disk clutch. I have roasted highly modified SC Mustangs, a Z06 Corvette with induction work and Nitrous, and a 911 turbo, with ease. Now if they are a bad driver or rider that's tough. SCOREBOARD is all I have to say to them. I don't have any video of me doing this so that's why I'm going to lay off further comments. The videos are out there you can do a search.

Lastly I don't recommend driving this way on the street. When you have cars of this power you can roll up on 170-MPH before you know it. It is when you're on the brakes when you realize the ungodly speed you just reached. After that you lie in bed that night wondering what would happen if someone had gotten in your way. I used to be one of the biggest street racers out there. As I grew older and matured you I thought more of the dangers.

Roby

Good point...I have no problems with my C5 interior, it's much better than the earlier models. It's a very comfortable car to drive for extended periods unlike the Viper. Could it be a little better...sure, but it's not on my list of gripes. The car is layed out very well ergonomically, if any of you have spent time in it, you'd agree.

Fun :D :D

Nice ride Indy!:D

Thanks Curt...we had to sell the boat this past summer and I bought this because I needed something to fiddle with. It's cheap fun compared to the boat, but it's NO BOAT!!! I'd give the vette up, or Viper, Ferrarri, or ANY car for that matter to be back in a boat. Cars are cool, but don't compare to an offshore boat...period. I'm getting a vanity plate that says "No Boat" because I'm that miserable :p

What you can't even have both headlights in that thing. The bike's you have been beating are being riden by guy's who need to buy truck's. And if it's only fast from a 70 mph roll then it's a total piece of crap. What the clutch chatter is so bad 70 is as slow as you can start a race. Make's boats look like good use of cash. It looks to me like 60k for a car thats a tic faster than a stock Vette that handles worse and will blow up every 5k mile's. Drive it to Virgina and I'll line up 20 people on stock or very close to stock bikes that will hand you your a$$ over and over again in any kind of race. I know 90% of the street riders out there have know idea how to ride, those must be who you are getting and the smart one see it like I do that a race from 70 is stupid. There is no way launcing your car from a dead stop is as hard as lauching a busa from 12k RPM's. When was the last time you were running behinde your car trying to get the front wheels back on the ground.

AWESOME!:p

What you can't even have both headlights in that thing. The bike's you have been beating are being ridden by guy's who need to buy truck's. And if it's only fast from a 70 mph roll then it's a total piece of crap. What the clutch chatter is so bad 70 is as slow as you can start a race. Make's boats look like good use of cash. It looks to me like 60k for a car thats a tic faster than a stock Vette that handles worse and will blow up every 5k mile's. Drive it to Virgina and I'll line up 20 people on stock or very close to stock bikes that will hand you your a$$ over and over again in any kind of race. I know 90% of the street riders out there have know idea how to ride, those must be who you are getting and the smart one's see it like I do that a race from 70 is stupid. There is no way launching your car from a dead stop is as hard as launching a busa from 12k RPM's. When was the last time you were running behind your car trying to get the front wheels back on the ground.

This just in from my friend.


Went to Atco for the day on Monday. I ran an 11.45 at over 119 mph braking an 11.55 second record for a Z06.
I broke the half shaft. On the last run of the day I wanted to go all out so I tried to launch at 6000 rpm and it snapped.

Burnout pics

WOW! That's major league haulin the bacon. He must have some serious race tires on the back of that thing, at least he did before that burnout :D, because if I ever left the line at 6000 rpm my tires would vaporize into black powder! I can't get enough traction off the line to break anything.

I like both cars but I think that the corvette is a better bang for your buck because for the extra 25 grand you can build the vette alot better than the viper in every way. As for the eairler post about the Dodge SRT's the SRT Ram is not that great of a performer Motor Trend said 13.8 in the 1/4 and 5.2 0-60. Stock Lightnings the gen 2 mind you are beating those times. Not to mention the price difference again. I have a modified Lightning and it is always fun to mess with Z0-6 and Porsche Turbo's and vipers, with a dirtbike in the back it gets people real frustrated. I am not stock though and you cannot do that in a stock Lightning just to make my self clear. Muscle cars in general are all fun though.
Hunter

Yea but you know you can't say that here because someone will always tell you why you were able to many times but shouldn't have been and can't under normal circumstances. Now if there is a Ford Lightning hater that see this thread the post count will exceed your numbers of horsepower.



:rolleyes:
Roby

I know and I sit back and laugh. I actually just threw a rod in the lightning. That is the weak point in these trucks. I had the Kenne Bell supercharger and was pushing 17lbs of boost. Now I am going to do the built motor and will have a lot of fun with it this summer. I am shooting for 10's. Not bad for a daily driven truck.
Later
Hunter

I still can't get over the fact that Vipers sound like UPS trucks. Why is that, is it the result of the harmonics of 10 cylinders versus 8? I'm working on a contract in L.A. and I walk up and down the Avenue of the Stars at least four times a day. There are Vipers, Vettes, 911 Turbos, 911 Carreras, Ferarris, Lambos, Maseratis, you name it, it is out here. ( By the way, the Lambo's definitely have the coolest sound, but they also cost $$$$$$$. ) If I had the money, I still woudn't buy a Viper, because they just sound like crap. They always have. I remember back in college, we had a week where many car companies would come and display their new cars in front of the engineering building. This was back in 90 or 91. There was a crowd gathered around the Viper, and the students were urging the engineer to start it up. At first he refused but he finally agreed to start it up. As you could imagine, the students all expected that it would sound like a Sterling with dry pipes, but instead, we got a UPS Truck. The Dodge Engineer did admit that the sound was not what they wanted and it would be corrected in future models. I guess they haven't gotten to that part yet.

Few cars sound as good as an original 427 Shelby Cobra or a 67 427/435 Vette with side pipes, especially an L-88. I'd like to know what one of those Vettes would turn with today's monster tire set-ups and some suspension work. A 70' Hemi Cuda not half bad either.

Hey Indy, beautiful car. Love that color combination.

And as far as the sound of the Vipers, they say it is because there is no crossover pipe on the exhaust. So you get to hear the equivalent of two 5 cylinder engines. Not to mention that the individual cylinders are not as large, volume wise, as the cylinders on a v8. The two extra cylinders are what puts the engine volume at 8 liters.