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Old 02-26-2004, 03:40 PM
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I find it funny that alot of you guys dont like Howard.... He is a pioneer and non conformist, an attribute that many of us share by virtue of our passion for offshore boats. I guess that nobody will be concerned until Strip Poker is indicted for indecent materials posted in the uncensored section, and Steve and Jeff are named as co-conspirators and all of their boats are seized as well as every thing else they own. Think its far fetched?? Think about that the next time a picture of a nude girl gets posted and she looks young....... its not the age claimed its the actual age that counts (Traci Lords). We are heading down that path, in fact there are efforts to revisit the internet decency act.......... I am not trying to be a chicken little "sky is falling" kinda person but I see the way the system is changing and am concerned.

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Oh, and as far as <i>this country was built on Christian principals</i>...

You could say that this country was built on Protestant/Christian principals, and we now have a Catholic (John Kerry) running for president.

The truth is: this counrty was founded by God fearing men. However, the God of Abraham is the God of the Christian and the Jews and the Muslims. We all worship the same God.
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One final comment...

Troutly, please move this thread to the "Off Topic" section!
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d-hlaw, Thanks for stating the Federalist Papers! Sad thing, but their are a whole lot of Americans that have never heard of them before.

If you folks want to censor what comes into your houses please turn the F'n station don't pull the plug on the show. I listen to HS some mornings, I think he's a moron and that's why I like his show. It is after all, COMEDY!!! Is it causing you pain for ME to listen? If it is, well please go find a therapist.
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d-hlaw, Thanks for stating the Federalist Papers! Sad thing, but their are a whole lot of Americans that have never heard of them before.
Wait now, I had to learn them in grade school. You mean it is not required reading anymore? What? If not what are we teaching instead? Besides the proper way to wear a condom

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roby, you read the Federalist Papers in GRADE school?!?!? Little heavy for a seven year old isn't it? I don't know when or where you went to school but I never knew about them 'till much later. You better take a good long look outside..... they're definitely NOT teaching the proper way to wear a condom.

... and now? Back to Stern bashing. Carry on.
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Grade school where I come from is K thru 12. I was 16 when we studied them... I think

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You are incorrect on this, see the seperation of powers clause, writings of the founding fathers, federalist papers, etc. Why would the founders battle the British and an oppressive religious based monarchy to establish one of their own?? The whole concept of our country is a mixing of social and idealogical differences. This thought that america is a "Christian" society and the Christian right forcing of their morals and values on everyone else is offensive.
Very good post.

I do a lot of genealogy and read quite a bit about the oppressive national "Church of England" that Elizabeth 1 established in the 1600's. This "National" church alienated Catholics, Quakers, Baptists and Puritans, and these people all refused to participate in this required Anglican communion, which resulted in persecution against them.

One main reason they came to America was to get away from a solitary forced religion. And one of the first items they worked on was separation of church and state, because this had caused so much hate and harm to so many generations. They demanded Freedom.

Maryland was where the Catholics settled, named after the mother of Jesus.

Pennsylvania was where the Quakers settled...named after Quaker leader, William Penn.

In New England the great majority of the people were Congregationalists


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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...


"...one nation, under God, indivisible..."
The original version of the Pledge did not have "under God" in it. The U.S. Congress passed a law adding those two words in 1953.
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Great instant history lesson, DK. It is almost as if the refrain "Christian Principals" describes a way of leading ones life. We have the freedom to elect how to live our lives, due in large part to the foresight of our founding fathers. It was the clear intent of these men of reason to clearly and unequivocally separate matters of government from matters of religion. To suggest that our founding fathers were motivated by certain "principals" is accurate; however, they are not the principals you allude to Just Say N2O. I am not a Christian and I do not play one on TV. If you meant to infer that our founding fathers did not intend to prevent the regulation of off color comedy, pornography and the like, I firmly disagree with you. I doubt that these exact issues were in their minds when they wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, but taboo issues of their day were kept in mind and were dealt with accordingly. Instead of having to contemplate the actions of a radio personality broadcasting his message across the country, the founding fathers had to contemplate a person speaking their mind in the town square and being able to do so withour fear of retribution, imprisonment, or some other form of opression. Times have clearly changed but it always amazes me how a document created several hundred years ago still makes perfect sense today.
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kevin , your my hero....i hope to be half the man you are when i grow up....... your buddy dave
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