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Anyone have any more info on the boat that flipped in St joe MI Friday night? Apparently headed to SOTW?

Both people in the boat are okay, some minor cuts & bruises, so that is great to hear. Both wearing life vests, too, something you don't hear often enough. A good samaritan boater saw it and picked them up.

Was a Cigarette, I think a 36 Gladiator. Sea Tow told us it was a 36, but wondered if it was 38. Heard it was stepped, but not sure. I'm not really clear on that, and just wondered if anyone knew exactly what kind of Cig it was. I only saw the front half sticking up out of the water. Steps, if any, were under water. Friend of mine saw it being pulled in and said it had steps.

Anyone have any more info?

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I would like to know.

Also, how many Gladitators flipped so far this year? Anyone know?

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It was a36 gladiator.
JM94

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I'd be curious to know how many have been built total, and of those, how many have been over. Not trying to stir anything up, I think they are awesome boats. I just seem to recall hearing about quite a few of them going over.

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There has only one confirmed gladiator that has rolled over and that was key biscayne


Rick OSG

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I stand corrected. For some reason, I thought I remembered hearing about more than that.

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The X Virgin Gladiator ??? It's been over more than a few times.

:cool:

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Okay, thanks JM94. Oh, and I was told the person driving (not the owner) owns a Skater with 900's. If that is, in fact true, it's not like we're talking about a "novice" driver.

It just goes to show that things can happen to anyone at anytime. Glad everyone is okay, well, except maybe the owner of the boat who now has some (most likely) insurance tasks/woes to overcome.

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Okay, thanks JM94. Oh, and I was told the person driving (not the owner) owns a Skater with 900's. If that is, in fact true, it's not like we're talking about a "novice" driver.

It just goes to show that things can happen to anyone at anytime. Glad everyone is okay, well, except maybe the owner of the boat who now has some (most likely) insurance tasks/woes to overcome.

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You cannot count the x-virgin raceboat.Im sure the x-dimension and setup is different than a stock boat and it is always being pushed to the limit.

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There have been quite a few Top Gun T/S that have been over. But, don't count the F-2 Race Boats!!!

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And Fountains,and Baja,and Skaters

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I'd be curious to know how many dumb @sses don't know how to drive a step boat without flipping it! As everyone says, this topic has been beaten to death.... Bottom line - know what the heck you're doing, or let someone else drive (or buy one of them ol' resin buckets - just kidding Apache clan)!

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I'm one of them, since I've never owned a stepped boat. That had nothing to do with my question. I wasn't trying to bring up the stepped hull debate, either. As I said, I wasn't trying to stir up some s%$t, I was just curious.
If what Rick said was true, that only one Gladiator has been over (Aside from race incidents), which I have no reason to doubt, then I was wrong. I already said that.
I was probably thinking of race incidents, which I wouldn't hold against any boat.

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NO , the bottom line is , they ALL have the potential to get out of shape.

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Seems like fewer Cat flips and lots of V-spins. Used to be the other way around.

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He may not have been a "novice" driver .. but, running a Skater w/900's does not give you the experience to blast around in a T/S boat.

G

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Exactly :cool:

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Talked to some guys running a twin step &^%$, they hit 112 MPH, but the rear twitching over the 45 degree angle waves really freaked them out.

I am sure those grapes are sour, I'll stick with my ancient non stepped bottom...solid, no twitching at 30 MPH. <gg>

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Maximus ???

I assume the 45 degree waves mean quartering seas ... I wouldn't feel comfortable in ANYTHING at 112 in quartering seas :crazy:

G

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32Fever,

If the accident happened in St. Joe, what marina was the boat towed to by Sea Tow---I would imagine it was Pier 33 being that Sea Tow keeps their boat moored there. I didn't know there were any Gladiators in the area (that is if it IS a Gladiator), but things change all the time with new boats poping up here and there.

Where exactly did it happen---north or south of St. Joe?....and how far? Glad to hear no one was killed or seriously injured.

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Back in June when we beat this subject to death the incident rate was almost equally split...with the v bottom leading by one....this is logical since there are more v bottoms out there than cats by a wide margin.......so it is not a fair comparison.....but since you seem to enjoy statistics and such I would assume you would already know this........

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As I recall from what I heard, at least one time it was over and was not in race conditions.

It was while being tested in a river that gets no more than 1 to 2 ft chop on it's worst day... It was also early in the season, still very cold I recall, so I don't suspect any other boat wakes either....

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Yup, my ex-virgin now team lapdance boat has spun a few times..... in fact it has spun everybody who has ever owned it!! Bob Bull spun his Gladiator 5 times, I think Lynch mob may have come around once, and there are a few others who will remain unamed. Keep in mind these are race conditions though, although some of the driving at "poser runs" borders on dangerous. Cigs are having a bad year for spins and ejections. maybe the factory needs to start letting the race teams do the R&D and pass it along to the consumer as opposed to the WFO poker runner. The offshore legend is becoming just that!!!

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Todd and Tres got a wake up call with the boat, Kevin King damn near killed himself and Gill Lieber in a GLSCS race both getting pitched, Dave E and Val spun and broke a gimbal but stayed planted, and lastly BruceK and I got flung in Marathon while sporting a nice lead!! The boat is really fast but must be respected in turns, period.

As for the hull design I think that Stinson could speak to the step hull cigs turning habits!!!

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I believe it was Dave E & Val's incident that I am referring to. It was in Jersey and as I said, not during a race, just testing....

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Testing what ... turning limits ??

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The picture posted above is of when Dave and Val spun and broke the gimbal.

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That pic looks to be at a race. It must have been a different time that I heard about. As I said, it was early in the season...

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Agree completely -

Regardless of the power.... You've got to know 1) how to drive 2) when to let off - ALWAYS leaning towards sooner rather than later (unless racing, of course!). Otherwise, your passengers will say :stupid: -- By the way, I thought those used to only be the Baja guys. What's happened! :D :D :D

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I'd love to stand on shore and watch anyone run 90mph in a straight bottom, and crank the wheel as hard as they can. They would be swimming, hopefully. Most straight bottoms can't run those speeds though. Most aren't even close.

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Looks like they had the drives turning in also

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Still are turning in.... in fact if you look at old pics of Tres in the Virgin top Gun they turned the props in also.....

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Higher Ins rates are a comin soon fella's :stupid:

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You also don't hear about all the incidents. Last weekend a 34' cat barrel rolled 3 times on Havasu, and I have not seen anything on this site about it.

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What happens in Havusa stays in Havasu. The Good, The Bad, The Parties, The Accidents and the nakedness..... :eek:

Just kidding........ :drink:

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Thanks Shane B!

My memory is not always the best.... :(

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The bottom line is , they ALL have the potential to get out of shape real fast.

A T/S will bite the hand that feeds them.




Rick OSG

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I really am amazed at all of the conversation on the safety and handling characteristics of the stepped hulls. All one has to do is run a stepped hull, even a 42 tiger with side by sides at 95-100 across 3-4 footers in a straight line and then jump in a non stepped hull, try a Cig or Sutphen 39 and run across the the same water at the same speed. Granted the old hulls will definetly take more to get there. But, the ride charcteriscics are totally different. Everytime the hull re-enters you can feel the difference. My limited experince with the stepped hull gave me the feeling like I was running on marbles and the rear of the boat was basically sliding around, and did not track in a line as straight as the non stepped. But then again, the same thing that makes them fast in a straight line makes them somewhat slippery. :rolleyes:

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Me too. I just want to be safe since Jeffery has one. And I'm learning how to drive it. I don't want to make the same mistakes they did.






AND you people who own FORMULA's or Apache's I don't want to hear a WORD :D :D :D