Magic duplicated my boat in seconds flat!
 

My story was too long to post here but here is a link. To summarize:

1. Created custom design for my new 28' Magic Cat.
2. Was made comfortable that they would not duplicate it.
3. They duplicated it in either the mold next to mine, at least in the mold after mine was released.
4. Owner told me either take your money and leave or we'll make you another boat and "I won't guarantee I won't copy it again" and that all he cares about is "taking the order, taking your $20,000 and making a boat"

After a few demands, he called me a few times, I think to shorten my laundry list of complaints and to quiet what he knew would be published.

Read my full story if you are interested.

CLICK HERE TO READ THE STORY

Sorry, I don't usually complain about anything, but this boat was huge to me. I expect integrity with my builder. I did not find that in Magic.

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man... I dont wanna register just to read it... sorry man...

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Chris,
Move on and go to another builder who will treat you right. I personally think that magic/sleekcraft builds a mediocre boat. The owner obviously doesn't care about his customers. Word gets around quickly, I'm sure other people will be glad to know about the owners lack of interest in making his customers happy. If I was looking at their boats, I would go away from them after this.

They are IDIOTS for building that piece of sh*t 44' cat they built a few years ago. Who the hell wants a 44' magic cat??? The thing was such a PIG, it had 3x 900's and it ran 95mph!!!

Gerard

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When you say "Design" was it a design they needed to make a new mold to fabricate or was it a paint design?

Did you have it trademarked? Copyrighted? How did you protect your self? If someone saw it on the water, couldn't they duplicate it?

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It was a gel coat design, not copyrighted. I understand the legality of it. And if I had copyrighted it, I would have them in court today. I also understand that eventually if it was cool enough someone would copy it.

Magic copied it either while mine was in the mold or seconds after mine came out. Don't you think they could have waited until I had it in the water???

AND . . . we discussed duplication, THEY SAID THEY WOULD NOT DO IT. I am questioning their ethics and integrity, not their criminal actions.

Hey Gerard! Long time bro. I don't know if you know. Michelle is the finance girl over there. Actually she was AWESOME! She was very honest about the whole deal. Hope that doesn't bring up bad memories.

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Yes that 44 is a big fat box. I never understood that one either!

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Chris,
I hope it works out for you in the end and you are happy with whatever boat you buy. Michele who?? just kiddding. Keep us posted with your situation.

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If the guy is that much of a strap job I'd give my $$$ to someone else.

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Majic is no comparison to a Spectre. Call me and well make you a 30 Spectre Classic. Custom one off NEVER to be replicated that will smoke that Majic back to yesterday. 10 times the quality. I 100% garantee you won't be disapointed!

Maximus
727-542-6927

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Now thats what I like to hear!!!!!

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Still up in the air over my purchase. My Eliminator deal seems unbeatable but my options are open.

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Do yourself a favor and let Jay at Spectre build you a true, race proven, offshore cat.

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West Coast Cats............ all about image....and not performance.

Ditto this thread.


T2x

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Hows the resale on those things?

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My ultimate goal is to run with the big boys of SCOPE however, I do not yet have the budget to carry a true ocean going vessel. I need one now that will be used on the ocean a few times a year while boating Havasu a couple/few weekends a month.

I'm even looking at some 28-29' V Hulls. Hell for price and insurance purposes, that would definitely be a better bet.

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T2x,
What a crock! DCB is a west Coast builder that builds an awesome boat.

You're "all about" 3 feet up Skaters A$$.

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Hmmmm seems like the person who made the original statement about the DCB evaporated...........



I guess....but, you don't see a lot of people trading Skaters..... for Magics and the rest of that junk.

T2x

P.S...... Buy a Skater....... You can get great graphics.... and gosh! If you wanna display it for your friends at the dock and on a trailer, you don't even have to buy engines. In which case the performance is identical to anything made west of Denver.

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I own an East Coast boat, but you can't make a blanket statement like this and really believe it, can you?

I have owned an Eliminator and two DCB cats and all werew great boats. Not designed to run offshore, but to run fast and stable on the lakes and rivers that are a popular place to run here on the West Coast.

Dave at DCB will tell you that his boats are built to run on a lake or the rivers. Bob Teague, who's opinion I highly respect, said the new 29 DCB cat was one of the "best" cats he has aver driven. This guy has driven 100's of boats and has more knowledge than most in the performance marine industry. How do explain his opinion on DCB?

Eliminator I believe still holds the speed record for a single engine cat at 144 mph (with Bob Teague driving). How can you dismiss that.

I love East Coast boats, but you can not simply dismiss the quality of some of the builders on the West Coast IMO.

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Yup...and I've never driven a Pontiac with a decent front end.

T2x........ You Left Coast guys are easy ;)

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The boat running almost neck and neck with the 40' Skater that has dominated the Heat Wave poker runs at Havasu has been a DCB. What does that say about the rest of the pack that has been following (including other Skaters)?

If you read the comments from the person that started this thread I don't think he is in the Skater market.

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Yeah, but if you had a DCB your graphics would go 140 mph, and just think of how much fun you'd have trying to catch them ;)

T2x............

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I am not in the Skater market! Too much insurance, too expensive, not a family boat. Just want a smooth ride for the kids and wife, a bit of ocean fun and a lot of Havasu floating.

Funny how much we spend to launch, drive for 10 minutes and float a whole day. Expensive seat for the game!

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Ummmm let me see........ They're all intoxicated from paint fumes?

T2x-------------Many years ago the earth tilted and all the..........

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God Bless you....Buy a used Skater.

T2x

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Jus' tryin' to be helpful. :)

T2x

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T2x,
I know you have been around performance boating for a long time and are very knowledgeable on the subject. I really have to laugh at your rediculous antics about Skater, Skater, Skater. NO doubt, they build an awesome boat, but they aren't the only game in town.

I am tired of your continuous negative posting's about how bad stepped V-bottoms are. I don't own a stepped V-bottom either. You probably never owned a stepped V-bottom in your life and furthermore, Skater's have a step in them for a reason. Why is that?? Then to add insult to injury, you state that stepped bottoms are (in your own words) "a gimmick" Let's get real here, stepped bottoms are making boats go alot faster with less power....PERIOD....

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140 is not going to cut it in Havasu. You better be running in the 160 range or you will be following (at a distance). :rolleyes:

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Okay .... You're right ..... I am too negative... and something must be done to protect you from me.... so let me be more touchy feely....would that make you feel better.

1. I love all the pretty West Coast boat thingies

2. I will ignore all the stepped hull spinouts from now on and drink Koolaid when I am told.... Like a good soldier.

There isn't that better?

T2x

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Originally Posted by tssteph

I have a friend with a 29 DCB with tripple OB 300's (brand new), another friend with a 32 Skater with 1000 HP each twins. The DCB uses almost double the fuel and runs 40 mph slower.


ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME??????????????
What a B.S, statement that is. I was in a Tiger with twin 1,000's yesterday (with HavasuCig) and we went to Catalina and that boat drank ALOT of fuel. We were running hard.
It is impossible for 3x 300's to use more fuel than twin 1,000's!!!!!!!!!!

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Daves personal 29 DCB runs 123 mph with 525's. That does not sound like bad performance does it?

BTW, What about Bob Teagues comments, or is he not a knowledgable because his shop is on the West Coast?

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Yeah...but that is with the new high tech " max speed" paint and vinyl...and I think it's too expensive for most of us. :stupid:

T2x

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I was merely stating my opinion, we are all entitled, but you sure act like a friggin 15 yr old instead of an old man.

Get off you Skater high horse and how about having an open mind about other boats and stepped bottoms.

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I have to call B.S on this anyways because I don't think DCB has built a 29 with tripples. On top of that you can't compare an O/B cat to an I/O cat. I have owned both are they are different animals.

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I think you are talking about gelcoat. "paint and vinyl" seem to be an East Coast thing. :rolleyes:

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Bob Teague is a capable guy..... but if you read the last 40 years of Powerboat you will find him describing everything from Bayliners to Buzzi's in glowing terms.... Face it, the boat tests almost always correspond with an ad in the magazine...and if memory serves me right from our advertizing days in that august publication, the back page(DCB's customary slot) fetches a premium rate.

Buy your boats based on your own decisions/likes and dislikes...... not P.B's...... but be informed and listen to more than one source. If nothing else I give y'all something to ponder occasionally...... Eh?

T2x

P.S. I notice when I'm in California , I look more youthful and stylish but I can't seem to run as fast. :p

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I guess I will have to tell Bob his opinions are B.S next time I am at his shop. Thanks for enlightening me. :eureka: :rolleyes:

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BTW, I never mentioned his opinions were read in the pages of PB Mag.

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T2x.........Get rid of the buggy whip already!!!!!! :D :D WOOOOOoooooo! You're obsolete baby! :D :D

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Ut--oh... it has to be serious if T2X weighs in.... :rolleyes:
......... :D