Did TimG delete his thread?
 

just wondering. i didn't know if LS, Jr. was really joking with his comments regarding the Maxx boat as "rough"?

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I was just typing a reply myself and.... poof!

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No, probably just the typical story of a sixteen year old kid running off at the mouth about sh@# he doesn't have a clue about and then calling his buddy Tim G really quick and telling him to delete the thread because he saw that he looked like an idiot. Sat by and watched as the whole thing went down. The most peculiar thing about it is I could of swore several months ago when I was a mere lurker he was always talking about how he wanted/liked that boat? If I have screen names confused I apologize. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. If I am not wrong, JR better stick to car sales because you can't get away with that type of stuff in the powerboating world it is just way too small of a world. I know for one I wouldn't buy a boat from him or a car for that matter. Also it would be wise of his father to make him get his own screen name as I often find myself confused as to which one it is SR or JR? Oh well what the hell do I know though I don't even own an Apache? :D

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Call Tim G? What a bunch of $h!t, I was actually hoping he left it up to see what everyone had to say! Running my mouth? How about the truth! We looked that boat over for a good 3 hrs! Yes, we were excited about it, but it was still in the condition it is today. I appreciate Chad's insight and help, but he has never seen the boat, nor have you!

Why don't you identify yourself.....I always think it's funny how you are always on Chad's threads.......hhhmmmm.......

You don't even own an Apache...you probably don't own a boat.

LS JR (BOBBY)

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in ls jr's defense......he seems very knowledgable about boats....alot more them most! and with all due respect because he is 16 doesn't mean he can't have an accurate opinion or even change it.....i am sure everyone has had a moment here or there and if you haven't your full of the du-du brown :rolleyes:

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Thanks Sling. I'm standing by what I said 110%. Nothing I said was false. I didn't list anything that wasn't true either. Bottom line, the boat is rough. What's so hard about understanding that?

(LS JR.) BOBBY

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LS,

I deleted the thread as I found it becoming a little counter productive. A boat that is not rough and member that is not a bad guy both started to take a lot of heat over a thread that was supposed to be about something else.

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There is a saying: When one finds oneself in a hole, it is best to stop digging!

No offense meant to anyone. Just reality.

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what made is so rough, i have only seen one pic of it?

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No, not me...
I figured Steve deleted it because of the way things turned...

All I did was post a picture of a nice big Cigar boat.. It was shiny, and pretty...and I thought you guys would like to look at it too.... :drink:
The boat looked pretty good to me, though I have not sen under the cover.

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I agree with Steve. It's not up to a member to pass judgement on another member's boat. What you might label rough another person might see otherwise, but by you calling it rough another person might not bother to look at it, evern though it may be acceptable to him.

I thought it was wrong when I first read it.

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Well, I agree Formula Outlaw. Why did Chad have to start this thread then? I would have let it go. I'm an easy kid to get along with, ask anyone who knwos me. Ovbiously if it's not on the board it's been deleted. I'm sure you know that Chad :cool:

Cuda, yeah, I went a little to into detail, but it's just my opinion. What happens if someone asks about a boat in the Cig forum, and it's not real nice. Should I tell them it's a beauty?

(LS JR.) BOBBY

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Maybe he was interested in the boat.

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opinions people opinions, i for one wouldn't take anyone elses but my own if i were purchsing a boat....get over it if it's rough so be it if it's not then so be it. some people think my boat was a bucket of {resin} headaches...no matter what anyone said i wanted it that simple

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Well sling if the motors and drives and intereor are not back in it........ it kind of is :D:D How is that project coming along anyhow? Would love to get a update.

Jon

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Just an observation, but this ID has posted busting LSJr. in the past .....

mercedes thread

another

and here

I have no dogs in this one, but a poster on here since March 2001, and current status is registered, no membership, either #1 forgot to pay his overdue membership fee, #2 has agenda or motives or #3 is someone in disguise. Steve, not to waste time again, but wanna do some IP hunting?? You should have it down to a science LOL after lilBIGdouche. :evilb:

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it has been sitting for awhile, i bought a new shop.....a conveyor line for powdercoating , and a huge spray booth, as well adding a body shop to my business and expanding my current business all in the matter of the last 12 months so the toys were put on hold until everything is completed and running smoothly....i am starting to get back into the little stuff to knock down on some of the work i need to do

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LS, Jr. - you are correct, i have not seen the boat in person. however, i've talked to a few people that have....all of which said that it was a well maintained, clean, structurally sound and had a lot of potential to be a great contender at the poker runs. in fact, your emails after you and your father viewed the boat, provided me with as much of an positive opinion on the boat as anything. that is why i found it so odd that you were to change your opinion of the boat. the reason i posted this thread is to clear up any controversy regarding the Maxx boat.....as i said in the thread that got deleted, i could see myself owning that boat and the last thing i want is to have to deal with buying/selling a boat that has a falsified reputation as rough. to be honest, i kind of thought you were being sarcastic when you were describing the boat and the rigging in the previous thread.

BTW, how many times do I have to tell you???......i'm not Sleeper! :mad: :mad: :mad: believe me, if i don't agree with you, you'll be the first to know it and i'll be the first to say it. i don't play games. if you have a problem w/ this request, call me at the office (217.965.5496) or call me on my cell (217.556.8335). don't take this the wrong way, I'm not mad, but i'm a little pissed that you keep pushing another person off on me. now......i'm sure this is going to be the last time you accuse me of being Sleeper, right?

Chad

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I hear ya. I have been in the same "boat" no pun intended. Work has been off the charts, working 7 days a week and no time for my toys.

Jon

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No Chad, I'm not accusing you of being Sleeper. I know you don't have anything to hide. It's a just a little weird. Whatever, that's not what this is about.

Look, I don't want to keep saying what is wrong with the boat becuase it's useless. No, I was not being sarcastic, it was the truth. For a 2000, we expected the boat to be a lot nicer, that's all. It wasn't raced much and the owner rarely used it. We just expected it to be nicer........I figure if your going to race a boat you would want all the best parts....

I'll call ya later and talk some F2 w/ya :D :D.

(LS JR.) BOBBY

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LS, not everyone keeps a boat up to your standards. :D

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This whole board IS about opinions. That's why it's fun, remember? LS JR, you do have the right to an opinion and you do know boats well. My .02

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Dont take any crap Bobby..........

Just joking.

To those who have not met him, LSjr. is one of the most knowledgable, and mature 16 year olds I have ever met, and althought I didnt read it before deleting, he is entitled to his opinion, if it was something they wouldnt buy, maybe someone purchasing it should look at it a little closer, thats all.

Rick

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Bingo!

If anyone asks your opinion on a boat, send it privately. For instance, say a year from now someone asked me abou the Maxx boat, and I may not remember the specifics, but I probably would remember someone labeling it as "rough".

You are still backhanding it in the previous post.

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alright folks, let's slow this train down. in keeping with the orginal purpose of this thread, in no way am i questioning bobby's judgement, opinion or integrity. however, i am questioning why he is so anti-Maxx when just a few short months ago he was pro-Maxx. what caused the flip flop? i was and still am currently under the impression that the Maxx boat is not a "rough" boat. perhaps since i've been lucky enough to own 1 of the 4 F2's, and have seen 3 of the 4 in person, i'm a little passionate when it comes to this subject. the last thing i want to see is any one of the 4 with an undeserving bad rap. :cool:

chad

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I know when shopping (long distance, last month) and wanted an impartial, unbiased opinion on a boat I was interested in, I approached someone privately, who was in my eyes probably more of a perfectionist than myself. Someone with IMO very high standards. It was all handled via email and PMs and I made it clear to them I would never take his word gold or as the final say. Only I could make that decision. I also assured this person they'd not be blamed or faulted for any descrepancies between their and my opinions, if any. This a completely objective. It was totally done as a favor and much appreciated time spent by someone. BTW THANKS MITCH! :D

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"Apache"

There, now this thread should get good! :D

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Could`nt have said it better myself. Bobby is very mature and wise beyond his years.

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Rick OSG

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I know Bobby personally and think highly of his knowledge and opinions on Cigarettes. I certainly feel I can have a meaningful and adult conversation with him about these boats. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Censorship here may be good for some but bad for others. When someone places a boat on the market in such a forum as this, they must expect positive and/or negative comments. As others have said, these are opinions and should be taken as such. Each one of us have different standards, that's life. Each one of us should make our own final decision on whether something is "rough" or "clean." I for one would like to know the opinions of others that have personally been on a particular boat that I may be considering for purchase.

I would expect nothing but honesty from Bobby. I don't believe he has any personal agenda here. (other than trying to sell his boat--hehehe :D ) I didn't read the thread before poofing or personally seen the Maxx boat, but if I was considering the boat I'd feel some thinks its rough and others thinks its clean, simple as that. Then make a decision whether to call the owner, get some pictures e-mailed, and make a decision whether I want to see the boat myself.........CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG????????? :D

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I have alot of knowledge of Cigarettes and other boats. Ive owned 22 boats thru the years !! I must defend the Maxx. The previous owner, which is a friend of mine, was as METICULOUS as anyone Ive ever met about everything in life, including his boat. He sold it to a good friend of mine who will take just as good of care of that boat as anyone on this board. As far as set up...to each his own... who cares. The boat was detuned and re rigged to be user friendly.. not raced and top end. There are a few things on the boat that turned me off, but thats my personal liking not the boats fault. The rigging is just fine the boat is in great shape. It needs the old race stickers and paint removed, and a good, good buffing and that thing would be mint. Sorry to disagree with you Bobby, But I crawled over that thing for a whole summer(not 3 hours) because I was considering buying it. My decision not to buy it was based on the F-2 set up not being what I needed. Not the rigging and being rough. You will look at things alot different when you are spending your own money, not living thru Daddy and still collecting an allowance for milk money. Sorry, I had to pick on you a little

GEEEZE Bobby, go back and look at what you say about your dads boat and then take a real good look at it. Its all in the eyes of the beholder

Now get back to class You have to behave until I get down there and take you out of school to go boating

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LS "JR" quit wasting your time with this thread :D You need to stay focused on getting my Sea Ray sold :D its not rough :p
Tom

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bobby, stick with selling boats and cars and you will be fine, i don't know chit about cigs and i use you guys as my info about those boats..... just don't start selling watches on here and stuff and you will be cool... :D

oh yeah, and keep posting those sunday ride threads for those of us stuck in the frozen tundra of the midwest.... :(

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I don't know how to respond to this Bob. I'm not going to waste my time talking about the boat. I never said we wouldn't buy it becuase of the condition but it just wasn't as nice as we thought it would be. I don't know how you can say the rigging was fine. The boat was rigged in 1-2 days. I'd like to ask Tres Martin how it took him to rig the Team Virgin boat.

Now, about our boat-Craig Barrie came and looked at it for someone on the West Coast. The customer said Craig couldn't think of one thing negative to say about it. It doesn't get better than that....

Like Frank said, if you don't want your boat critisized then don't put it on here.

(LS JR.) BOBBY

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cuda-

i do have to hand it to bobby, we wrote several times via email and pm regarding the Maxx boat and questions regarding my old boat and the other 2 F2's. out of the several other emails that i received, not one of them said how he didn't like the boat or the condition it was in. in fact, he sent me several pictures and was very excited after viewing the boat. hopefully you can see why i'm a little confused on why bobby changed his opinion of the boat.

in no way am i making this a personal bash, but i'm confused on why bobby is changing his story now that the boat sold and he didn't buy it...... :cool: here are just a few of the emails that i have not deleted.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 12:12 PM
To: "Chad Faller"
Subject: RE: Gladiator


Chad,

We would be all over a cat but it would not work for us here in FL. In NJ, it would have.

Really, the only F2 we wanted was MAXX and that is sold. Figuring that F2s are old race boats with no cabin, I figure you would be better off with a Gladiator becuase they are a true pleasure boat without a cabin, if you don't mind the sit-down. Plus, I think G wants to much money for his boat, we all know what he paid!

Anyways, were going to go look at a 2004 Gladiator with Staggered 525s either later today or Monday hopefully. It needs some work so I figure a bargain would be $140k. However, someone told me Spitfire1 sold his boat for $135k needing nothing so I've been trying to get ahold of his for the past 2 days to see if this is true.

Bobby


-----Original Message-----
From: Chad Faller [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 10:00 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE:


great pictures. honestly, i have found that all the F2 look so much better in person. pictures just do not do them justice.



-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 10:19 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject:


Last one. Not saying this against SR but the yellow on theMaxx looks better in person than in the boat trader pics. I was suprised.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 5:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: F-2


Yes, unique...That is what I like about the F-2's. Why couldn't they build more of them!!! The owner said it is very clean also. I will take a ride down to his house one weekend. I have been looking at the dash of yours and G's..Maxx has a different setup...Why? If you don't recall it, I attached a pic for you. Also any idea which gauges are on the nav station. I don't have a clue. If we sold our boat tomorrow, I couldn't find a replacement other than Maxx. I saw a pic of the Fanny Doctor without the girl and number..I kinda liked the girl...HA! It was a little awkward. $97k was a steal, or what ever it was.

Thanks,
Bobby

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After reading JBK's last post, I think JR should re-read Formula Outlaw's post.
I also agree with Cuda 100%!
Regards,
Tony

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Chad, I'm not changing my story. I still feel the same way I did when I looked at it. It has the set-up we want but it wasn't in the condition we really wanted. It is all fixable, just depends on how much $$$ you have to spend. Yes, I was excited after viewing it, HOW COULD YOU NOT BE? The boat looked much better (appearence wise) then the pics. If the boat would still be for sale it would still be on our list but it's NOT. I'm not trying to give the boat a bad rap, but you can't compare it to the other 3. It's just not the same caliber.

Tbone-Forumla Outlaw gave great advice and I'm trying to drop it, but Chad keeps bringing this up. If you want to know exactly how I feel Chad, give me a call 954-328-2022 and we can dicuss this like men instead of over a computer.

(LS JR.) BOBBY

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Well no offense intended LS JR., but I can see why Chad is questioning you after reading these emails. They sure do sing quite a different tune than the one you were singing yesterday and continue to sing today. Just learn from your mistakes JR. and keep that kind of talk for email or pm. My .02
Regards,
Tony

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Different tune? You may want to re-read what Chad posted. The only thing I ever said to Chad in our e-mails about the boat was this:

Not saying this against SR but the yellow on theMaxx looks better in person than in the boat trader pics. I was suprised.

(LS JR.) Bobby

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spitfire1 sold his boat for 135k? Is that what those things are going for? I might have to go gladiator shopping.... :D