Miami Show TMP1600
03-03-2005 | 02:31 AM
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Re: Miami Show TMP1600
Originally Posted by NOBODY
First of all I'm almost 6, but I've learned alot in my first five years.
I don't know where your going with your 2 blower theory.
I thought we were talking about making BIG HP, not anything under 1600. I guarantee I could get 2 M5s to work.
When did I say the size of the supercharger= blower eff?
I said the size of the blower, in airflow and eff., are directly related to HP POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL.
As far as dyno pulls I said with your 3.3s by your side.
I don't see any (Fastest Street) cars using your 3.3s and I'm pretty sure their not outlawed.
All I see is turbos and round blowers making BIG BIG HP.
Where's Whipple?
I do agree they are very very eff. blowers and all I said was you needed a bigger one for the guy's trying to give people BIG HP in marine engines.
So bring back your 9.8s and maybe then TMP can make 1800 HP with 23 deg. heads.
I just thought if you knew everything about head selection, cam selection, compression ratios, Ect. for supercharged applications that you said in your first post - you could answer (as Richard C. put it) my ridiculous questions.
Thanks,
Dustin Whipple---------------I guess since I've owned a couple of your blowers you won't mind my name change
I don't know where your going with your 2 blower theory.
I thought we were talking about making BIG HP, not anything under 1600. I guarantee I could get 2 M5s to work.
When did I say the size of the supercharger= blower eff?
I said the size of the blower, in airflow and eff., are directly related to HP POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL.
As far as dyno pulls I said with your 3.3s by your side.
I don't see any (Fastest Street) cars using your 3.3s and I'm pretty sure their not outlawed.
All I see is turbos and round blowers making BIG BIG HP.
Where's Whipple?
I do agree they are very very eff. blowers and all I said was you needed a bigger one for the guy's trying to give people BIG HP in marine engines.
So bring back your 9.8s and maybe then TMP can make 1800 HP with 23 deg. heads.
I just thought if you knew everything about head selection, cam selection, compression ratios, Ect. for supercharged applications that you said in your first post - you could answer (as Richard C. put it) my ridiculous questions.
Thanks,
Dustin Whipple---------------I guess since I've owned a couple of your blowers you won't mind my name change
Actually, I would appreciate if you would use your own name. To correct you, I never once said I knew everything about cam selection, etc. I'm not one to toot my own horn, I can just say that I'm certainly no dummy. Your questions are ridiculous but I have the ability to answer them, just not going to, sorry.
You are right, therotically, the higher potential flow = higher potential power but bigger is not always better. As I said before, our 3.3L quad already out performs the PSI which is pretty darn big. The 980 would be great for 1600hp+, before that, the 3.3L quad would make as much power and would do it more efficiently and in a smaller space.
The 3300 quad will flow enough air at this point, fits under the deck lid of most boats, is very reliable, very quiet and very unique looking so I don't really see a problem with it at this point. The fact that 2 M5's will work is actually pretty funny. Put those in a big boat with the low gear ratio, enormous props to run high speeds and see how well they pop on plane. At 1500hp, at 3000rpm, we would be making nearly 400lbs of torque more. Do you know how much HP the M5's take to operate? If you want overall peak power, there is nothing that can compare to a turbo so if your going to deal with lag, why wouldn't you take that free 200+hp/trq?
As for the fastest street car, I'm sure you'll see something in the near future. At this point, screw compressor are banned at any NHRA sanctioned event as they have to be SFI approved although nobody every realizes the top fuel bikes are running our superchargers that we sale for cars!!!
As I said before, I'm not an engine builder. We supply the air to make the power, it's up to the engine builder to make the engine live. We certainly have our own opinions, but everybody has those.
Dustin
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03-03-2005 | 07:18 AM
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Re: Miami Show TMP1600
Originally Posted by 105mph_38_2003
Did I ever tell you guys that in kindergarten I could stand against the wall in the bathroom and pee over the little tile walls(and the trough) into the toilet 
True story!!!
True story!!!
yeah, but my dad could beat up your dad.....
03-03-2005 | 09:07 AM
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Re: Miami Show TMP1600
Originally Posted by Whipple Charged
Nobody,
Actually, I would appreciate if you would use your own name. To correct you, I never once said I knew everything about cam selection, etc. I'm not one to toot my own horn, I can just say that I'm certainly no dummy. Your questions are ridiculous but I have the ability to answer them, just not going to, sorry.
You are right, therotically, the higher potential flow = higher potential power but bigger is not always better. As I said before, our 3.3L quad already out performs the PSI which is pretty darn big. The 980 would be great for 1600hp+, before that, the 3.3L quad would make as much power and would do it more efficiently and in a smaller space.
The 3300 quad will flow enough air at this point, fits under the deck lid of most boats, is very reliable, very quiet and very unique looking so I don't really see a problem with it at this point. The fact that 2 M5's will work is actually pretty funny. Put those in a big boat with the low gear ratio, enormous props to run high speeds and see how well they pop on plane. At 1500hp, at 3000rpm, we would be making nearly 400lbs of torque more. Do you know how much HP the M5's take to operate? If you want overall peak power, there is nothing that can compare to a turbo so if your going to deal with lag, why wouldn't you take that free 200+hp/trq?
As for the fastest street car, I'm sure you'll see something in the near future. At this point, screw compressor are banned at any NHRA sanctioned event as they have to be SFI approved although nobody every realizes the top fuel bikes are running our superchargers that we sale for cars!!!
As I said before, I'm not an engine builder. We supply the air to make the power, it's up to the engine builder to make the engine live. We certainly have our own opinions, but everybody has those.
Dustin
Actually, I would appreciate if you would use your own name. To correct you, I never once said I knew everything about cam selection, etc. I'm not one to toot my own horn, I can just say that I'm certainly no dummy. Your questions are ridiculous but I have the ability to answer them, just not going to, sorry.
You are right, therotically, the higher potential flow = higher potential power but bigger is not always better. As I said before, our 3.3L quad already out performs the PSI which is pretty darn big. The 980 would be great for 1600hp+, before that, the 3.3L quad would make as much power and would do it more efficiently and in a smaller space.
The 3300 quad will flow enough air at this point, fits under the deck lid of most boats, is very reliable, very quiet and very unique looking so I don't really see a problem with it at this point. The fact that 2 M5's will work is actually pretty funny. Put those in a big boat with the low gear ratio, enormous props to run high speeds and see how well they pop on plane. At 1500hp, at 3000rpm, we would be making nearly 400lbs of torque more. Do you know how much HP the M5's take to operate? If you want overall peak power, there is nothing that can compare to a turbo so if your going to deal with lag, why wouldn't you take that free 200+hp/trq?
As for the fastest street car, I'm sure you'll see something in the near future. At this point, screw compressor are banned at any NHRA sanctioned event as they have to be SFI approved although nobody every realizes the top fuel bikes are running our superchargers that we sale for cars!!!
As I said before, I'm not an engine builder. We supply the air to make the power, it's up to the engine builder to make the engine live. We certainly have our own opinions, but everybody has those.
Dustin
03-03-2005 | 10:11 AM
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From: Joplin, Mo
Re: Miami Show TMP1600
Originally Posted by Whipple Charged
If you want overall peak power, there is nothing that can compare to a turbo so if your going to deal with lag, why wouldn't you take that free 200+hp/trq?
Dustin
Dustin
He said the T word. that is a cuss word to a supercharger guy.
03-03-2005 | 10:35 AM
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Re: Miami Show TMP1600
Originally Posted by Bigyellowcat
He said the T word. that is a cuss word to a supercharger guy.
03-03-2005 | 10:43 AM
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Re: Miami Show TMP1600
Originally Posted by Whipple Charged
As I said before, I'm not an engine builder. We supply the air
Dustin
Dustin
If all I wanted was someone to supply the air, I would call campbell hausfield, they probably have more experience than you at supplying air.
sorry could not help myself.
tyson
