Marine Lubrication
12-22-2006 | 09:55 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by o2man98
Yes the AMSOIL Marine motor oils are full synthetic base stocks.
10w-30 = http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/wct.aspx?zo=1132530
10w-40 = http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/wcf.aspx?zo=1132530
The nice thing about these oils is that they use a base and additive package very similar to the new Motorcycle Oils. This is the chemistry that I see AMSOIL going to in more and more of their motor oils in the future. They have also added the Small Engine SAE30/10w-30 oil which also share similarities. http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/ase.aspx?zo=1132530
Take a look at this report that shows how the AMSOIL motorcycle oils stand up to the comp. http://www.modernoils.com/media/pdf_...Comparison.pdf
10w-30 = http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/wct.aspx?zo=1132530
10w-40 = http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/wcf.aspx?zo=1132530
The nice thing about these oils is that they use a base and additive package very similar to the new Motorcycle Oils. This is the chemistry that I see AMSOIL going to in more and more of their motor oils in the future. They have also added the Small Engine SAE30/10w-30 oil which also share similarities. http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/ase.aspx?zo=1132530
Take a look at this report that shows how the AMSOIL motorcycle oils stand up to the comp. http://www.modernoils.com/media/pdf_...Comparison.pdf
12-22-2006 | 10:11 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by minxguy
In all honestly, I really can't beleive a modern day quality lubricant foams. The anti-foam additve that is used in oils is added at very low percentages and is probably already in the dertergent package that the blender buys.
I really do not know how you how you overfill a lower unit seeing how you fill from the bottom until it flows out the top hole, but stranger things have happened.
As far as you automatic transmission, overfilling wouldn't cause foam, what it causes is the oil to "puke" out from overfilling. Oil expands with heat, if you start with an oil level that too high, when it expands it will be even higher. It could "grow" enough to puke out the fill tube or push out a seal/gasket. This could be the same issue in a outdrive.
A quat of oil is a quart at 60*F. This is buy/sell temp of oil. At lower temps you have less than a qt and at higher temps you have more. This is the reason engine manufactures want you to check you oil the same way evey time. BMW automatics have to have their transmission oil checked at a certain oil temp, a real pain in the ass.
Anyway, I hoped I helped.
Ken
I really do not know how you how you overfill a lower unit seeing how you fill from the bottom until it flows out the top hole, but stranger things have happened.
As far as you automatic transmission, overfilling wouldn't cause foam, what it causes is the oil to "puke" out from overfilling. Oil expands with heat, if you start with an oil level that too high, when it expands it will be even higher. It could "grow" enough to puke out the fill tube or push out a seal/gasket. This could be the same issue in a outdrive.
A quat of oil is a quart at 60*F. This is buy/sell temp of oil. At lower temps you have less than a qt and at higher temps you have more. This is the reason engine manufactures want you to check you oil the same way evey time. BMW automatics have to have their transmission oil checked at a certain oil temp, a real pain in the ass.
Anyway, I hoped I helped.
Ken
I am familiar with the heat expansion of oil since the Yamaha Wave runners I have say to check the oil level hot after changing the oil to make sure that it is not over full. I always seem to have to siphon off some ounces when I check it after an oil change.
It always is of a help.
12-23-2006 | 09:27 AM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by Rage
That is good to hear that you can still get a full synthetic at lower viscosities since Mobil1 has reportedly abandoned full synthetic except for the high viscosity motor cycle oils.
Regardless of the lies that Mobil tells you through their tech support this has been confirmed through gas chromatography testing. It is a shame that they decrease the quality of the product and continue to increase the price as if the quality was actually improving. What was ExxonMobils last quarter profit???
Seems that AMSOIL and Redline are about the only TRUE full synthetic oils on the market.
12-24-2006 | 10:48 AM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by o2man98
That is correct. It seems that all the new M1 EP oils are now a Group III petroleum base stock.
Regardless of the lies that Mobil tells you through their tech support this has been confirmed through gas chromatography testing. It is a shame that they decrease the quality of the product and continue to increase the price as if the quality was actually improving. What was ExxonMobils last quarter profit???
Seems that AMSOIL and Redline are about the only TRUE full synthetic oils on the market.
Regardless of the lies that Mobil tells you through their tech support this has been confirmed through gas chromatography testing. It is a shame that they decrease the quality of the product and continue to increase the price as if the quality was actually improving. What was ExxonMobils last quarter profit???
Seems that AMSOIL and Redline are about the only TRUE full synthetic oils on the market.
12-25-2006 | 06:51 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by Rage
Well that is where I am going. Is Amsol available by other than mail order?
If you do not want the membership, email the address at this link and you will be taken care of at cost without the membership.
http://www.modernoils.com/Purchase_at_Dealer_Cost.html
Ken
12-26-2006 | 10:10 AM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Originally Posted by o2man98
Mail order IS the way to do it. By following the instructions at the link below you can purchase at cost much like a Sam'a Club membership and it comes right to your door. There are often locals that may have it but they will have to pay shipping to get it to them so that is added to the price and they will also mark it up some for profit.
If you do not want the membership, email the address at this link and you will be taken care of at cost without the membership.
http://www.modernoils.com/Purchase_at_Dealer_Cost.html
Ken
If you do not want the membership, email the address at this link and you will be taken care of at cost without the membership.
http://www.modernoils.com/Purchase_at_Dealer_Cost.html
Ken
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12-27-2006 | 09:27 AM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
Did anyone happen to notice the sticker on the oil-fill cap on the new Ilmor 700's? It states Mobil 1 0W-40 factory fill. Is this oil cap a carry-over from the Viper or is Ilmor really filling these mills with 0W-40?
12-31-2006 | 11:10 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
01-01-2007 | 05:57 PM
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Re: Marine Lubrication
That is correct. It seems that all the new M1 EP oils are now a Group III petroleum base stock.
Regardless of the lies that Mobil tells you through their tech support this has been confirmed through gas chromatography testing. It is a shame that they decrease the quality of the product and continue to increase the price as if the quality was actually improving. What was ExxonMobils last quarter profit???
Seems that AMSOIL and Redline are about the only TRUE full synthetic oils on the market.
Regardless of the lies that Mobil tells you through their tech support this has been confirmed through gas chromatography testing. It is a shame that they decrease the quality of the product and continue to increase the price as if the quality was actually improving. What was ExxonMobils last quarter profit???
Seems that AMSOIL and Redline are about the only TRUE full synthetic oils on the market.
Here is my take:
The MCO (Like V-Twin) and HDEO (Delvac 1) are still Group IV/V and they have always been my top picks.
Oil fanatics are pizzed off to say the least...check this out..
I borrowed this from an oil thread...
Mobil 1 and Castrol Syntec have betrayed the public and ruined the credibility of synthetic oil.
Group III and GTL may be , or could be, as good or even better than PAO ...but why do oil companies feel it is ok to mislead us and price gouge as well?
Mobil 1 used to be under $4/qt when it was a true synthetic. Group III faux synthetics used to cost from $1 something / qt to $4/ qt.
Now Mobil 1 Group III Faux costs $6 /qt to $7 /qt... is it any wonder that I feel ripped off , and I am now strongly anti-Mobil 1?
Redline, Castrol GC, Amsoil, Pennzoil Platinum [on sale], Delvac 1, Delo 400, Rotella T and Rotella 5W-40 faux syn, Trop Arctic/Havoline/Motorcraft are on the 'A' list and Mobil 1/ Castrol Syntec are on the 'S' list.
I especially like Redline, it is now about the same price as M1 and Redline is still the best oil I've tried.
I am now using Penzoil/Amsoil/Redline or Delvac 1 in my cars and V-twin; Amsoil Severe Service Racing or Redline in the boat.
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