Marine Lubrication
#1131
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[B]Who There is one "downside" to heavy parafinic based oils and that is they generally have a tendency to sludge up an engine if pushed beyond their limits. The parafin which is a wax can proceed toward it's natural tendency as it breaks down to form carbon and in combination with a waxy matrix you get sludge and later even still "coking".
I would imagine there are stabilizers to help reduce this from happening but none the less these types of oils have been reported to on occasion lead to sticky valves etc. if not changed frequently enough to a greter extent compared to parafin free products.
Here are the specs it is made to:
http://www.mercurymarine.com/uploads...1/003-1647.pdf
I would imagine there are stabilizers to help reduce this from happening but none the less these types of oils have been reported to on occasion lead to sticky valves etc. if not changed frequently enough to a greter extent compared to parafin free products.
Here are the specs it is made to:
http://www.mercurymarine.com/uploads...1/003-1647.pdf
Sludge....a black emulsion of water, other combustion by products, and formed primarily during low temp engine operation. Sludge is typically soft, but can be very hard. It plugs oil lines and screens, and accelerates wear of engine parts. Sludge deposits can be controlled with a dispersant additive that keeps the sludge constituents finely suspended in the oil.
Ken
#1132
The specs are an Material Saftey Data Sheet tells you nothing of the elemental composition of the oil.
Sludge....a black emulsion of water, other combustion by products, and formed primarily during low temp engine operation. Sludge is typically soft, but can be very hard. It plugs oil lines and screens, and accelerates wear of engine parts. Sludge deposits can be controlled with a dispersant additive that keeps the sludge constituents finely suspended in the oil.
Ken
Sludge....a black emulsion of water, other combustion by products, and formed primarily during low temp engine operation. Sludge is typically soft, but can be very hard. It plugs oil lines and screens, and accelerates wear of engine parts. Sludge deposits can be controlled with a dispersant additive that keeps the sludge constituents finely suspended in the oil.
Ken
It is a good parafinic oil with high ZDDP levels.
The trend these days however is to remove parafin from oil completely.
I am not dissing the product but made a few generalizations about parafinic compounds.
Additionally, Citgo while offering fine products does not do as much in the racing circuit as Penzoil/Valvoline/Castrol/Mobil or Kendall. I would feel more at ease if a "racing based petroleum development company" made the product.
You are a gentleman and oil scholar Ken!
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Hydro, don't ever discount a petroleum (parafinic basestock, not napthenic basestock). A quality built lube with a parafinic base stock and the right additive package will perform excellent for 98% of the readers of this thread. Group III bases are what we are talking about, highly refined petroleum base stocks.
Oh and thanks.
Ken
Oh and thanks.
Ken
#1134
Hydro, don't ever discount a petroleum (parafinic basestock, not napthenic basestock). A quality built lube with a parafinic base stock and the right additive package will perform excellent for 98% of the readers of this thread. Group III bases are what we are talking about, highly refined petroleum base stocks.
Oh and thanks.Ken
Oh and thanks.Ken
Your Welcome
#1135
A ton of PM's on the disappointment many feel in Mobil going from V/IV to Group III bases.
This may be helpful:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...e=0#Post811297
This may be helpful:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/foru...e=0#Post811297
Last edited by Hydrocruiser; 01-28-2007 at 07:53 PM.
#1136
Another 10 PM's about which PAO Synthetic to use in 2007.
I know these are 100% PAO's for certain:
20W-50 M-1 V-Twin is PAO
20W-50 Redline is all PAO
20W-50 All Amsoil Products are still 100% PAO
We think RP is 100% PAO
Penzoil Platinum is still 100% PAO and a value for your autos.
German Made Castrol is still 100% PAO as well
Hope that works for you!
I know these are 100% PAO's for certain:
20W-50 M-1 V-Twin is PAO
20W-50 Redline is all PAO
20W-50 All Amsoil Products are still 100% PAO
We think RP is 100% PAO
Penzoil Platinum is still 100% PAO and a value for your autos.
German Made Castrol is still 100% PAO as well
Hope that works for you!
#1137
#1138
Yes to all those who e-mailed me or PM'd.
All Amsoil products are still 100% PAO. RP cliams the same as does Redline. German Castrol is PAO. M-1 V-twin is 100% PAO!
If you run hard a lot or race and are used to the benefits of a PAO synthetic then this matters a lot to you. Otherwise it may not.
The benefits of a 100% PAO are in it's ability to resist shear and retain viscosity under high heat and shearing forces and to provide the highest possible film strength. This produces less wear and increased durability and maximizes engine life.
Hydro's definition of 100% Synthetic is 100% PAO>!
All Amsoil products are still 100% PAO. RP cliams the same as does Redline. German Castrol is PAO. M-1 V-twin is 100% PAO!
If you run hard a lot or race and are used to the benefits of a PAO synthetic then this matters a lot to you. Otherwise it may not.
The benefits of a 100% PAO are in it's ability to resist shear and retain viscosity under high heat and shearing forces and to provide the highest possible film strength. This produces less wear and increased durability and maximizes engine life.
Hydro's definition of 100% Synthetic is 100% PAO>!
Last edited by Hydrocruiser; 02-01-2007 at 05:22 PM.
#1140
GC is a Group IV/V synthetic, so to the extent that it's not a Group III like the rest of the Syntec line, it is a "real" syn.
Autozone has it among others.



