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Wobble 05-12-2006 11:33 AM

Re: MSD Marine ignition problems!!!!!! MSD = total junk?
 

Originally Posted by boatman747
I just bought a new boat . Full msd system previously installed. How much advance should come from the 6-m box ?

none, relies on distributor for advance. Be sure and put di-eletric grease in all the connectors, see my post above

Banana Split 05-12-2006 01:54 PM

Re: MSD Marine ignition problems!!!!!! MSD = total junk?
 
I also had a problem every year or two blowing boxes untill i put a msd rfi noise filter in the system it stopes sugers that trash the box. havent had a problem in the past four years.

Dave.

Dean Ferry 08-17-2015 08:25 AM

Well, add me to the list, got to the ramp yesterday, and the Talon wouldn't start, no spark at the spark plug, and nothing coming our to of the coil when I'm cranking the ignition. I think it's the coil....

http://www.msdperformance.com/Produc...r_SS_Coil.aspx

This is the distributor I am running also:

http://www.msdignition.com/Products/...stributor.aspx

mike tkach 08-17-2015 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Dean Ferry (Post 4343625)
Well, add me to the list, got to the ramp yesterday, and the Talon wouldn't start, no spark at the spark plug, and nothing coming our to of the coil when I'm cranking the ignition. I think it's the coil....

http://www.msdperformance.com/Produc...r_SS_Coil.aspx

This is the distributor I am running also:

http://www.msdignition.com/Products/...stributor.aspx

i can tell you that coil does not like marine use.i used to use that coil before i switched to daytona sensors system and i had a couple of them fail.

Dean Ferry 08-17-2015 10:23 AM


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4343680)
i can tell you that coil does not like marine use.i used to use that coil before i switched to daytona sensors system and i had a couple of them fail.

Mike,
Is this what you now use?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/102002-Dayton...-/271659901291

Thanks,
dean

wfo1 08-17-2015 11:06 AM

The daytona system is very nice. It is the old crane system with some additional features. Blows MSD out of the water.

Dean Ferry 08-17-2015 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by wfo1 (Post 4343716)
The daytona system is very nice. It is the old crane system with some additional features. Blows MSD out of the water.

WFO1,
If I just need to replace my coil, can I buy the Daytona coil to run with my MSD dist. ready to run system?
Thanks,
Dean

SFOcean 08-17-2015 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Banana Split (Post 1729275)
I also had a problem every year or two blowing boxes untill i put a msd rfi noise filter in the system it stopes sugers that trash the box. havent had a problem in the past four years.

Dave.

Yep, it is MSD part number 8830.

35fountain 08-17-2015 05:14 PM

I have the MSD 6 blue box and MSD billet marine distributor in my boat over 6 years...never had an issue

vintage chromoly 08-17-2015 06:01 PM


Originally Posted by 35fountain (Post 4343891)
I have the MSD 6 blue box and MSD billet marine distributor in my boat over 6 years...never had an issue

You will. Only a matter of when and how far from the dock you are.

35fountain 08-17-2015 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by vintage chromoly (Post 4343917)
You will. Only a matter of when and how far from the dock you are.

I clean the reluctor and the screens yearly. No springs or weights ..and no advance mechanisms. locked in

hadleycat 08-17-2015 09:06 PM

I had a MSD 8366 distributor that was bad brand new out of the box. The 8366 is a direct replacement for the GM HEI computer controlled ignition unit. The reason I went to this distributor was because my fresh motor has redline of 6200. Builder told me that the stock distributor is only good to about 5500 rpm then will start missing.
I have been told that the module is what usually fails on the 8366. If you replace the it with a GM module you should have a pretty good distributor.

rer233 08-17-2015 09:35 PM

Probably been thru 2 or 3 6m2 boxes on my 233 interceptor in the 15 or so years I've been running MSD. Box and coil are mounted on an aluminium plate on the transom. After talking to MSD after my latest failure, they told me it could be caused by a voltage drop at the switched ignition connection from the ignition switch due to high resistance (not real surprising in a 30+ year old boat.) I installed an ignition relay next to the box and haven't had a box failure since (fingers crossed- but I still carry a spare box.)

However, about a month ago, I was going to put the boat in the water, so I hooked it up to the hose to warm the engine (I'm not running a choke and the last thing I need is to have it not run and tie up the ramp- again, a 36 year old boat.) Anyway, when it started it made one HELL of a knocking sound (sounded almost like a piston hitting the head 'cept it didn't knock on every revolution.)

I started pulling plug wires, and the noise went away when I pulled #5- WTF? Checked the compression (ok) and then thought- preignition? Made a trip home to get a spare dizzy cap (used.) Put it on, and PROBLEM FIXED! Later on, I checked the first cap with an ohm meter and sure enough, there was continuity between terminals 5and 6 on the cap. Every year as part of winerization I pop the cap and shoot everything with WD40 to try to keep the rust to a minimum. Anybody else had problems like this? Am I screwing things up with the WD40?

Needless to say, I now carry a spare cap and rotor too.

Any input is greatly appreciated.

253 08-17-2015 10:56 PM

I just replaced my old MSD Marine Box today with the 6M-2L Marine box, it was 9 years - 2 months old .
Last year I installed the MSD coated reluctor wheels in both distributors they stay very clean, WD 40 will help keep moisture out.

Strip Poker 388 08-18-2015 03:43 PM

On my 89 Scarab it had a prototype marine version,which was red but the inside potted,Had a buddy that worked at MSD, I sold the boat and its still running today, thats 23 years old,it also has Stelling headers that are 23 years old.

My 70chevelle has a 6al thats around 1993ish. My Hustler marine blue ones are 12 years old. 69 camaro race car 6a1 is 18 years old,

The Hustler is wired that if the box puked ,I just disconnect it with the factory wiring it just delets it.

Now I cant same much about their coils

Wobble 08-18-2015 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by Strip Poker 388 (Post 4344388)
On my 89 Scarab it had a prototype marine version,which was red but the inside potted,Had a buddy that worked at MSD, I sold the boat and its still running today, thats 23 years old,it also has Stelling headers that are 23 years old.

My 70chevelle has a 6al thats around 1993ish. My Hustler marine blue ones are 12 years old. 69 camaro race car 6a1 is 18 years old,

The Hustler is wired that if the box puked ,I just disconnect it with the factory wiring it just delets it.

Now I cant same much about their coils

about ten years a go MSD tech told me to run the round extreme offroad coils which are potted. No problems so far

Dean Ferry 08-19-2015 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4344535)
about ten years a go MSD tech told me to run the round extreme offroad coils which are potted. No problems so far

W,
Like this one?

http://www.jegs.com/i/MSD+Ignition/121/8222/10002/-1

SFOcean 08-19-2015 06:55 PM

Not W; but yes, the MSD 8222.

Wobble 08-19-2015 08:56 PM

That's the one Dean, can be mounted at any angle. Mark

Dean Ferry 08-20-2015 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 4345052)
That's the one Dean, can be mounted at any angle. Mark

Thanks mark, I'll be ordering that 1 this weekend.
Dean

Dean Ferry 08-20-2015 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by SFOcean (Post 4345000)
Not W; but yes, the MSD 8222.

SF,
Thanks,
Dean

SB 08-20-2015 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Dean Ferry (Post 4344870)

Been using those on a bunch of apps for many years. Have not had to replace one...but I guess there is always a first.

EVen though expensive for what they are, I use these too as I've had wires fall off female top post coils from bouncing around or being limp wristed...lol:
http://www.jegs.com/i/MSD-Ignition/121/8217/10002/-1

http://www.jegs.com/images/photos/100/121/121-8217.jpg


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