Huge problem with 5200
12-18-2006 | 01:16 PM
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Re: Huge problem with 5200
Jon,
The bolts are the least of your worrys, nothing an impact will not take care of. Not much holding power in bolt holes, the holding power is on your flat surfaces. Kinda like sticking two pieces of glass together with water in between. Just the vacuum alone is incredable let alone adding an adhesive.
I took my monster K-planes off this past fall and used the softener. Trick was getting a putty knife in behind the plates so you could drip the softner in behind them. I did this over the coarse of a week.
10 years ago I took the transome assemblys off a 31' Sonic I had. You may laugh but this worked well. Some body used 5200 on these also and I was told they could not be removed with Squirl snot on there as the industry refers to it as.
Anyways I took 4 X 4's and built a bridge over the Transome assembly. So you have one longer 4 X 4 with a leg on each end forming the shape of a ( U ). Then I ran a chain in through the drive shaft hole and bridged a big plate across the hole with my chain hooked to it.
I had a Handy Man Jack as they are referred to Horizontal on my 4 X 4's and hooked the chain to that. And started to Jack it loose. Handy Man Jack's have a racheting system, so one click at a time I slowly removed them. One click and wait for the suction noise to stop, then go another click.
This took all after noon, only problem I had was my 4 X 4's
base was wobblely, so maybe if you built two bases it would be more stable. Your jack would set on both of them with your chain running between them.
The 4 X 4's are on the outside of the boat against the transom. Hope all this make sense. it work well with no damage to the gel coat.
Key is lots of patients.
Cougarman
The bolts are the least of your worrys, nothing an impact will not take care of. Not much holding power in bolt holes, the holding power is on your flat surfaces. Kinda like sticking two pieces of glass together with water in between. Just the vacuum alone is incredable let alone adding an adhesive.
I took my monster K-planes off this past fall and used the softener. Trick was getting a putty knife in behind the plates so you could drip the softner in behind them. I did this over the coarse of a week.
10 years ago I took the transome assemblys off a 31' Sonic I had. You may laugh but this worked well. Some body used 5200 on these also and I was told they could not be removed with Squirl snot on there as the industry refers to it as.
Anyways I took 4 X 4's and built a bridge over the Transome assembly. So you have one longer 4 X 4 with a leg on each end forming the shape of a ( U ). Then I ran a chain in through the drive shaft hole and bridged a big plate across the hole with my chain hooked to it.
I had a Handy Man Jack as they are referred to Horizontal on my 4 X 4's and hooked the chain to that. And started to Jack it loose. Handy Man Jack's have a racheting system, so one click at a time I slowly removed them. One click and wait for the suction noise to stop, then go another click.
This took all after noon, only problem I had was my 4 X 4's
base was wobblely, so maybe if you built two bases it would be more stable. Your jack would set on both of them with your chain running between them.
The 4 X 4's are on the outside of the boat against the transom. Hope all this make sense. it work well with no damage to the gel coat.
Key is lots of patients.
Cougarman
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12-18-2006 | 01:57 PM
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Re: Huge problem with 5200
Originally Posted by cougarman
Jon,
The bolts are the least of your worrys, nothing an impact will not take care of. Not much holding power in bolt holes, the holding power is on your flat surfaces. Kinda like sticking two pieces of glass together with water in between. Just the vacuum alone is incredable let alone adding an adhesive.
I took my monster K-planes off this past fall and used the softener. Trick was getting a putty knife in behind the plates so you could drip the softner in behind them. I did this over the coarse of a week.
10 years ago I took the transome assemblys off a 31' Sonic I had. You may laugh but this worked well. Some body used 5200 on these also and I was told they could not be removed with Squirl snot on there as the industry refers to it as.
Anyways I took 4 X 4's and built a bridge over the Transome assembly. So you have one longer 4 X 4 with a leg on each end forming the shape of a ( U ). Then I ran a chain in through the drive shaft hole and bridged a big plate across the hole with my chain hooked to it.
I had a Handy Man Jack as they are referred to Horizontal on my 4 X 4's and hooked the chain to that. And started to Jack it loose. Handy Man Jack's have a racheting system, so one click at a time I slowly removed them. One click and wait for the suction noise to stop, then go another click.
This took all after noon, only problem I had was my 4 X 4's
base was wobblely, so maybe if you built two bases it would be more stable. Your jack would set on both of them with your chain running between them.
The 4 X 4's are on the outside of the boat against the transom. Hope all this make sense. it work well with no damage to the gel coat.
Key is lots of patients.
Cougarman
The bolts are the least of your worrys, nothing an impact will not take care of. Not much holding power in bolt holes, the holding power is on your flat surfaces. Kinda like sticking two pieces of glass together with water in between. Just the vacuum alone is incredable let alone adding an adhesive.
I took my monster K-planes off this past fall and used the softener. Trick was getting a putty knife in behind the plates so you could drip the softner in behind them. I did this over the coarse of a week.
10 years ago I took the transome assemblys off a 31' Sonic I had. You may laugh but this worked well. Some body used 5200 on these also and I was told they could not be removed with Squirl snot on there as the industry refers to it as.
Anyways I took 4 X 4's and built a bridge over the Transome assembly. So you have one longer 4 X 4 with a leg on each end forming the shape of a ( U ). Then I ran a chain in through the drive shaft hole and bridged a big plate across the hole with my chain hooked to it.
I had a Handy Man Jack as they are referred to Horizontal on my 4 X 4's and hooked the chain to that. And started to Jack it loose. Handy Man Jack's have a racheting system, so one click at a time I slowly removed them. One click and wait for the suction noise to stop, then go another click.
This took all after noon, only problem I had was my 4 X 4's
base was wobblely, so maybe if you built two bases it would be more stable. Your jack would set on both of them with your chain running between them.
The 4 X 4's are on the outside of the boat against the transom. Hope all this make sense. it work well with no damage to the gel coat.
Key is lots of patients.
Cougarman
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12-18-2006 | 04:42 PM
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Re: Huge problem with 5200
Here's the best I could do on short notice.
Yellow is outside of the boat / Transome.
Orange is your 4X4's, you may have to build supports
running to the ground to keep it all supported.
Blue rod represents your chain running in and through the transome assembly bolted on the inside of the boat.
This way you pull evenly from the center of the assembly.
Your jack will sit against the 4X4's putting the stress evenly on the transome, You may put bigger feet on them if your worried about spreading the load . But this works well with out sweating your arse of and all the cussing.
Keep the two longer 4x4's as short as you can so the don't bend when you start putting a load on them with the jack.
Cougarman
Yellow is outside of the boat / Transome.
Orange is your 4X4's, you may have to build supports
running to the ground to keep it all supported.
Blue rod represents your chain running in and through the transome assembly bolted on the inside of the boat.
This way you pull evenly from the center of the assembly.
Your jack will sit against the 4X4's putting the stress evenly on the transome, You may put bigger feet on them if your worried about spreading the load . But this works well with out sweating your arse of and all the cussing.
Keep the two longer 4x4's as short as you can so the don't bend when you start putting a load on them with the jack.
Cougarman
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12-19-2006 | 07:16 PM
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Re: Huge problem with 5200
Goof off softens 4200 real well, might help on the 5200!!! Whatever you can do to try and break the bond before pulling will hopefully save you a ton in fiberglass and gel reapir!!
Good luck. Take pictures!!
You won't do that again will you?
Good luck. Take pictures!!
You won't do that again will you?
12-20-2006 | 04:09 AM
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Re: Huge problem with 5200
Jon
C-man has the right idea. I went thru this last summer myself. I used a poter-power & applied pressure directly in the middle. Whiles pressuer applied I used a putty knife & worked mint. I bought that 5200 remover from West but automotive laquer thinner worked far better. If you use thinner get them heavy duty gloves. Thinner will soften & a razor blade to remove the heavy stuff. A scotch brite pad w/thinner will clean up the residue.
Stan
C-man has the right idea. I went thru this last summer myself. I used a poter-power & applied pressure directly in the middle. Whiles pressuer applied I used a putty knife & worked mint. I bought that 5200 remover from West but automotive laquer thinner worked far better. If you use thinner get them heavy duty gloves. Thinner will soften & a razor blade to remove the heavy stuff. A scotch brite pad w/thinner will clean up the residue.
Stan
