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2112 12-27-2007 12:24 PM

Those can be made to flow but they have big chambers and it has been my experience that Windsors like tight combustion chambers. Obviously cast in the 80's for example; E8 means cast in 1988

excalibur32 12-27-2007 12:50 PM

Great boat anchor's! swap for a Chevy!!! Ok guy's you may begin!!!!!!!!!!!

OLSKOOL72 12-27-2007 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by 2112 (Post 2384592)
Those can be made to flow but they have big chambers and it has been my experience that Windsors like tight combustion chambers. Obviously cast in the 80's for example; E8 means cast in 1988

2112,

He must be reading the casting#'s wrong. In the pic, it appears it has adjustable rockers. And that was long gone by the eighties.

2112 12-27-2007 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by excalibur32 (Post 2384624)
Great boat anchor's! swap for a Chevy!!! Ok guy's you may begin!!!!!!!!!!!


For a 16 footer, I can't imagine too many options better than a SBF. If he wanted he could turn it into a monster of an engine. Even if he is on a budget, he can exceed 1HP per inch and have a hell of a ride.

It is an oldie and needs updating but Pat Gahnal's book of Ford V-8s is a good place to find out how to build a stout 302.

PS those log manifolds will rob you of most of the power you try to get out of what you have.

Joe92GT 12-27-2007 10:39 PM

Why bother with stock heads? There are soo many SBF heads on the market right now that flow 10x better. Don't even think about porting, invest the money in new heads.

2112 12-27-2007 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by Joe92GT (Post 2385144)
Why bother with stock heads? There are soo many SBF heads on the market right now that flow 10x better. Don't even think about porting, invest the money in new heads.

Good advice.......unless you have more time than $$

jayhawk261 12-27-2007 11:55 PM


Originally Posted by OLSKOOL72 (Post 2383904)
Why not?? I have had plenty of engines come through the door with 302 heads on a 351. Espesially if they were trying to low-buck some compression ratio. I also had a 302 once come in with a 351 cam in it, that no one could ever get running right. As they never knew the 351 had a different firing order than a 302.

351w has larger head bolts than a 302. To run the 302 heads on a 351w, the head bolt holes would need to be drilled out. Not saying it hasn't been done, but it most likely wouldn't be worth it for any potential gains.

This looks to me like a 302. A 351w has a much wider intake manifold. It is very obvious.

Go with aftermarket heads on a fresh build. The stock Ford windsor heads are terrible for air flow. If you want it to breathe, you'll either spend a ton of money on head work, or spend that money on a nice clean set that will still flow better out of the box.

jayhawk261 12-28-2007 12:01 AM


Originally Posted by OLSKOOL72 (Post 2383904)
Why not?? I have had plenty of engines come through the door with 302 heads on a 351. Espesially if they were trying to low-buck some compression ratio. I also had a 302 once come in with a 351 cam in it, that no one could ever get running right. As they never knew the 351 had a different firing order than a 302.

The 351W cam does have a different firing order than the old 302. Once ford came out with the HO 302 in the eighties though, they used the same firing order as the 351W then.

I remember the first engine I built was a 351W. I was 16 and was just learning about engines. Me and my buddies had the hardest time trying to figure out how the cam could determine the firing order!:D We figured it out eventually!

flashhat 12-29-2007 07:23 PM

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Here are photo's of the head castings.

flashhat 12-29-2007 07:31 PM

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sorry, loaded wrong photo's

these are correct


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