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BY U BOY 03-30-2008 08:04 PM

Do I need a high torque starter???
 
My starter took a chit on me today:angry-smiley-038: Starter was only a year old. I'm running 10.7:1 compression and the starter i have now acts like my batts are dead when i crank it over. Will a high torque starter help??Or should i just have this one rebuilt?

Tinkerer 03-30-2008 08:35 PM

I have 509 CI at 10.5 to 1 and the stock starters do just fine. I do have 31 series batteries.
Get it rebuilt and make sure your batteries are good and cables are good.

BY U BOY 03-30-2008 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by Tinkerer (Post 2505865)
I have 509 CI at 10.5 to 1 and the stock starters do just fine. I do have 31 series batteries.
Get it rebuilt and make sure your batteries are good and cables are good.

Batts and all cables were replaced 2 weeks ago and fully charged.I have a 27 and a 31.

dogturd21 03-30-2008 10:56 PM

Go back and check the wires, especially any wires going to the starter, and other wires going to the engine. I had what I thought was a bad starter, but after replacing it, it still would not crank- it turned out to be wire that chaffed through on the engine block that was hidden in the back.
Also check out the ground straps on the engine.

BY U BOY 03-30-2008 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by dogturd21 (Post 2506068)
Go back and check the wires, especially any wires going to the starter, and other wires going to the engine. I had what I thought was a bad starter, but after replacing it, it still would not crank- it turned out to be wire that chaffed through on the engine block that was hidden in the back.
Also check out the ground straps on the engine.

checked all that today. I tried to jump the started and nothing so i'm pretty sure its bad.

If it aint one thing its another:D

Big Cliff 03-31-2008 08:47 AM

I was running the stock BBC starter on my blower motor and it had trouble turning it over. I switched to one of the new small gear reduction high tq starters and it turns it right over and fires on the first click. Worth the swap in my mind. Also ALOT smaller and lighter.

pachanga 03-31-2008 08:53 AM

If a starter is operated repeatedly under a low voltage,amperage condition it will fail quickly. Make sure that starter gets it's juice!

RunninHotRacing163.1 03-31-2008 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2506080)
checked all that today. I tried to jump the started and nothing so i'm pretty sure its bad.

If it aint one thing its another:D

Hey BIG Daddy just put a high torque , go on ebay and hit a buy it now for 65.00 brand new and enjoy the summer on the water ....:cool-smiley-011:
ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jeff1000man 03-31-2008 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2506277)
Hey BIG Daddy just put a high torque , go on ebay and hit a buy it now for 65.00 brand new and enjoy the summer on the water ....:cool-smiley-011:
ROCK ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ebay Whore :evilb::evilb::D

jeff1000man 03-31-2008 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2505815)
My starter took a chit on me today:angry-smiley-038: Starter was only a year old. I'm running 10.7:1 compression and the starter i have now acts like my batts are dead when i crank it over. Will a high torque starter help??Or should i just have this one rebuilt?

Check your timing again. THe fact that you thought it was wrong and you adjusted it, you might have over adjusted it and the engine has to much initial timing.

Anyway. I never knew that weed eater engines had electric start. :evilb::evilb:

jeff1000man 03-31-2008 11:15 AM

Bill, Did you guys Dyno that 496 that you built earlier this year?

Thunderstruck 03-31-2008 11:56 AM

Are you sure you do not have an exhaust manifold leak? This can fill cylinders with water make the motor slow to turn over. Also can do significant damage. Pull the spark plugs and try again.

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Thunderstruck (Post 2506479)
Are you sure you do not have an exhaust manifold leak? This can fill cylinders with water make the motor slow to turn over. Also can do significant damage. Pull the spark plugs and try again.

Checked all that before i replaced the batts 2 weeks ago. Im baffeled as to why its doing this. It was fine last summer and when i took it out for the first time this year 2 weeks ago it acted like the batts were dead. Checked all the connection,replaced a few and got new batteries. Still cranked over slow so i pulled spark plugs one at a time and checked for water. None. Timing was reset yesterday with 12* Initial An 20 advance(hei ignition) I am going replace with a High torque this week and see if that fixes the problem,if not then i guess i wil start looking again.

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2506416)

Anyway. I never knew that weed eater engines had electric start. :evilb::evilb:


I'm still faster than you:evilb:



for now

socalstone 03-31-2008 12:35 PM

I've tried both, plus a few rebuilds on the stock starter.
I keep the stock one around in case there's an issue, but really prefer the small, light, (easy to install) high-torque unit.

jeff1000man 03-31-2008 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2506540)
I'm still faster than you:evilb:



for now

Only because you understeer me and get me out of the hole. I waxed your azz coming out of inland that day.

And don't forget, I had a witness.

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2506569)
Only because you understeer me and get me out of the hole. I waxed your azz coming out of inland that day.

And don't forget, I had a witness.

I didn't know we were racing:) I'm going to start calling you Reggie:D
Dont forget i was only running 4k ropm with my timing fu(qed up:D:D

Youll get me in the rough any day with the extra length but give me some 1 to 2' chop and your azz is mine:azo:

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 01:24 PM

:offtopic:

Lets get ack on track here.

Thunderstruck 03-31-2008 03:05 PM

Check the ground on the block? Maybe take a Volt ohmeter and check for ground between the block and the negative battery posts.

jeff1000man 03-31-2008 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2506613)
I didn't know we were racing:) I'm going to start calling you Reggie:D
Dont forget i was only running 4k ropm with my timing fu(qed up:D:D

Youll get me in the rough any day with the extra length but give me some 1 to 2' chop and your azz is mine:azo:

Never. You just keep thinking that and your wife will be backing me cookies instead of you.

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2506863)
Never. You just keep thinking that and your wife will be backing me cookies instead of you.

I'm not sure how you BACK cookies,But Ok:D

RunninHotRacing163.1 03-31-2008 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2506414)
Ebay Whore :

Why you lil Biotch :evilb::evilb::D
rock on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jeff1000man 03-31-2008 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2506875)
I'm not sure how you BACK cookies,But Ok:D

She does it different for me. :party-smiley-004:

RunninHotRacing163.1 03-31-2008 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2506419)
Bill, Did you guys Dyno that 496 that you built earlier this year?

Hey BIG Daddy 620 HP 6 lbs Boost ran awesome we put it in the boat and have'nt been able to get the prik started WTF :cool-smiley-011:

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2506899)
Hey BIG Daddy 620 HP 6 lbs Boost ran awesome we put it in the boat and have'nt been able to get the prik started WTF :cool-smiley-011:

Probably because you painted it pink:party-smiley-004::D

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2506889)
She does it different for me. :party-smiley-004:

Thats it your getting the batch with the horse laxative in it:hitfan:

jeff1000man 03-31-2008 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2506899)
Hey BIG Daddy 620 HP 6 lbs Boost ran awesome we put it in the boat and have'nt been able to get the prik started WTF :cool-smiley-011:

Probably because it has a roll of paper towells sucked into the intake. :party-smiley-004:

RunninHotRacing163.1 03-31-2008 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2506906)
Probably because you painted it pink:party-smiley-004::D

Hey BIG Daddy thats not PINK its purple , shall i get ya some glasses or just another drink :cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-027:

BY U BOY 03-31-2008 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2507694)
Hey BIG Daddy thats not PINK its purple , shall i get ya some glasses or just another drink :cool-smiley-011::cool-smiley-027:

double makers on the rocks and a jager bomb.

jaxx 30 04-02-2008 12:01 PM

I have run an LS-7 454 with 12.5 compression and had no problem with a stock autozone/kragen starter. Check the juice getting to the starter. Pull the starter and have it tested. If worried about a gasket leak just pull a few plugs and look. I prefer the high torque mini starters just for weight reduction, size reduction, quick start up.

BY U BOY 04-02-2008 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by jaxx 30 (Post 2510217)
I have run an LS-7 454 with 12.5 compression and had no problem with a stock autozone/kragen starter. Check the juice getting to the starter. Pull the starter and have it tested. If worried about a gasket leak just pull a few plugs and look. I prefer the high torque mini starters just for weight reduction, size reduction, quick start up.

I have checked everthing from wires to plugs. I jumped the starter and nothing.Voltage is fine.I got a gear reduction starter yesterday that i'm putting on today.

jeff1000man 04-02-2008 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2510252)
I have checked everthing from wires to plugs. I jumped the starter and nothing.Voltage is fine.I got a gear reduction starter yesterday that i'm putting on today.

You could probably just put a hand crank on the front of that little sucker. :evilb::party-smiley-004:

BY U BOY 04-02-2008 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2510430)
You could probably just put a hand crank on the front of that little sucker. :evilb::party-smiley-004:

Is that what the tranny you hired told you last night:hitfan::D:evilb:

BY U BOY 04-02-2008 02:59 PM

Is that blower motor going to be done for the shootout??

jeff1000man 04-02-2008 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2510460)
Is that blower motor going to be done for the shootout??

Most of th parts should be here by the middle of next week, so I can get started on the machine work.

Wobble 04-03-2008 10:26 AM

Patrick, go to Texas performance or competition sales and pick you up a hi-torque, they are a breeze to install and are much easier on the batteries.

BY U BOY 04-03-2008 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 2511508)
Patrick, go to Texas performance or competition sales and pick you up a hi-torque, they are a breeze to install and are much easier on the batteries.

I got one yesterday but it was getting to late once i got the old one off. My old one has the staggered bolts and the new one has the straight bolt pattern. I was told it will work and i feel some bolt holes on the block that match up,just didn't have time to screw with it lastnight.

Wobble 04-03-2008 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2511532)
I got one yesterday but it was getting to late once i got the old one off. My old one has the staggered bolts and the new one has the straight bolt pattern. I was told it will work and i feel some bolt holes on the block that match up,just didn't have time to screw with it lastnight.

It will match up, should bolt straight up with stock oil pan, if you have offshore pan you may have to clock the starter a little.

BY U BOY 04-03-2008 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by Wobble (Post 2511535)
It will match up, should bolt straight up with stock oil pan, if you have offshore pan you may have to clock the starter a little.

OK i haved been f'in with this for 3 hours now and have mounted it in every way possible.The bendix will not engage the fly wheel. Is there something i'm missing?Is it possible that the bendix doesn't extend as far as the stock one? Or is it not coming up high enough? I'm starting to get frustrated and not sure if i can take another min upsidedown:D

Wobble 04-04-2008 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2512394)
OK i haved been f'in with this for 3 hours now and have mounted it in every way possible.The bendix will not engage the fly wheel. Is there something i'm missing?Is it possible that the bendix doesn't extend as far as the stock one? Or is it not coming up high enough? I'm starting to get frustrated and not sure if i can take another min upsidedown:D

does your new starter have the same number of teeth as the old one? there are some options out there that wont work.


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