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Ok,,,just a thought i had ?! Sorry.
But i dont understand why it would not go over 5100 RPM !
5400-5500 sounds better ,,,i think.
Could realy be airflow ?!
Where is the fuelpress ? should be 8.5- 9 PSI at WOT !
maybe mix is wrong ????
Boost should kick in at 2800 up to max.
But i dont understand why it would not go over 5100 RPM !
5400-5500 sounds better ,,,i think.
Could realy be airflow ?!
Where is the fuelpress ? should be 8.5- 9 PSI at WOT !
maybe mix is wrong ????
Boost should kick in at 2800 up to max.
Last edited by AIR TIME; 01-19-2009 at 09:45 PM.
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His cam is bigger than a 420/525SC cam. I pulled strong to 5400-5500 rpms with a cam very close to the stock 420 cam specs. His cam is bigger and should pull harder up top.
I have to wonder if the cam installed 4* advanced or straight up. If advanced, it would pull the torque curve and peak hp down lower in the rpm range. Also where the timing is at full advance???
I have to wonder if the cam installed 4* advanced or straight up. If advanced, it would pull the torque curve and peak hp down lower in the rpm range. Also where the timing is at full advance???
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The cam is plenty big enough but it really is old school and any hyd. flat tappet has trouble controlling the valves above 5000 rpm. I'd find a good cyl. head guy to do a valve job and set up a new set of springs with a little more pressure than Crane reccomends. Or just change to Crane 741 hyd. roller cams. They are tried and true and will get you 700 hp in a set-up like this. Btw, what ignition timing are you using? in a set-up like this I would use 30-32 degrees.
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It would be good to try a set of 25 pitch props. No boost until 4000 rpm's suggests that you are lightly loading the engines right now. They may pull the 25's to a higher speed and show more boost at a lower rpm.
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Ding ding ding on the timing. how much diferent timing did you use on the dyno? Did you try it to 32,33,34,29,28 etc?
You could have to much or to little.
Carb should be fine. A lot of thes set ups historically used the twin 750's actually.
Roller cam is a good idea, but there is no reason he shouldn't be spinning past 5k IF he has the right spring.
Try adjusting the timing a little.
Check and make sure the belt is not slipping. Do you have the notched pulley set up or the grooved pulley set up. That could be why you are not making the proper boost.
What exhaust do you have on the boat. That could be slowing you down.
Just other factors.
If you had the arrestors off on the dyno, that is not the problem now.
You could have to much or to little.
Carb should be fine. A lot of thes set ups historically used the twin 750's actually.
Roller cam is a good idea, but there is no reason he shouldn't be spinning past 5k IF he has the right spring.
Try adjusting the timing a little.
Check and make sure the belt is not slipping. Do you have the notched pulley set up or the grooved pulley set up. That could be why you are not making the proper boost.
What exhaust do you have on the boat. That could be slowing you down.
Just other factors.
If you had the arrestors off on the dyno, that is not the problem now.
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Thats a pretty good sized flat tappet cam. It should make good power to at least 5500-5700rpms.
Have you tried going down in pitch on the props to try and get it to spin faster???? I really can't see that you should have a problem making enough torque though to get past 5100rpms.
What about the timing?????? Where is it set for full advance and what ignition are you running???
Have you tried going down in pitch on the props to try and get it to spin faster???? I really can't see that you should have a problem making enough torque though to get past 5100rpms.
What about the timing?????? Where is it set for full advance and what ignition are you running???
Let me know if you have any more thoughts.
thanks
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What valve springs are you running, and do you know what they're installed at? It's quite common for springs without enough pressure, or even the wrong style spring to produce bad harmonics causing minor valve float very early in the RPM range. On blown motors as the rpms increase and the float gets worse it starts to bleed cylinder pressure, losing boost and horsepower. Your engine basically hits a wall. Just a thought...
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The cam is plenty big enough but it really is old school and any hyd. flat tappet has trouble controlling the valves above 5000 rpm. I'd find a good cyl. head guy to do a valve job and set up a new set of springs with a little more pressure than Crane reccomends. Or just change to Crane 741 hyd. roller cams. They are tried and true and will get you 700 hp in a set-up like this. Btw, what ignition timing are you using? in a set-up like this I would use 30-32 degrees.
I am Not real familiar with cam's and specs. does this crane 741 Hyd. roller have the same specs as what I have or would I order a Crane 741 to match my specs??. I am sure I am running 32 total advance. I am using a Crane Hi-6M running the SC650 Ing. curve.
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Thanks for the input. All opinions are valued.