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Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158
(Post 2878532)
Just to Clarify this thread was started as a question as to what fluid everyone is running Valvoline??/ Ford type F ??? and about the foaming oil ??? Was NOT A SLAM AT EARL @ Huber by no means :eek: So whoever the Phuch called Earl and told him i"m slammin him on OSO u need to pick up the phone BIG Daddy and fill me in ,or explain it to me at the next boating event over a cocktail what you read that i did'nt ...Earl is doing the cruise to get me back together and i'm confident they will handle some power ...:coolcowboy::angry-smiley-038:
ring ring im waiting 815-693-3031 Dont make me wait tooo long :drink: |
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Originally Posted by jeff1000man
(Post 2878646)
Did you say Allison??
This will cheer you up. :coolcowboy: |
GRASSDAVE ????????????? mmmhhhhhhh:grinser010:
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Originally Posted by saxman
(Post 2878694)
No doubt the hubers can handle the power!
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Originally Posted by daredevil
(Post 2878745)
GRASSDAVE ????????????? mmmhhhhhhh:grinser010:
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Bill how many forward clutches you running?
Are you running the bigger piston. Anyway ya look at it Trannys are the weak link. If your mills are making power its just a matter of time. |
Originally Posted by KNOT-RIGHT
(Post 2879808)
Bill how many forward clutches you running?
Are you running the bigger piston. Anyway ya look at it Trannys are the weak link. If your mills are making power its just a matter of time. just a matter of time you say :eek: weighing our options BIG Daddy .... Just got off the phone with Earl Zimmer and was going thru the serial #s and seems all my torched trannys last year to present are all on the same side (port) starting to think maybe the cooler has been Phuched for a while :bigbird: |
Let me pitch in on the fluid question.
We recently did extensive testing of fluids and friction materials. The results surprised me. We always knew Type F was good, but did not have hard numbers. I’m at home and the actual resulta are at work, and anyone that knows me can tell you my memory is shot, so don’t shoot me if I am off a few points. With the friction material commonly used to-date ( a graphitic paper) the order of preference and performance is: Type F or FA 100% (no difference between the Valvoline & Castrol in this test) Amsoil Supershift 94% Dexron 85% All the other Mercon’s, Dexron 6, synthetics, etc were as bad or worse then the old fashioned Dexron. Please remember the ONLY thing we are testing for (or care about for this application) is break away torque capacity. In the automotive world there are many more and relevant factors. We are now using a new material in our dry sump models. Using the baseline above it is about 114% with the Type F. It also recovers better after a momentary slip. And the Amsoil is within 1-2% of the type F, so I think it will be OK with the new material. |
Originally Posted by Mbam
(Post 2879906)
Let me pitch in on the fluid question.
We recently did extensive testing of fluids and friction materials. The results surprised me. We always knew Type F was good, but did not have hard numbers. I’m at home and the actual resulta are at work, and anyone that knows me can tell you my memory is shot, so don’t shoot me if I am off a few points. With the friction material commonly used to-date ( a graphitic paper) the order of preference and performance is: Type F or FA 100% (no difference between the Valvoline & Castrol in this test) Amsoil Supershift 94% Dexron 85% All the other Mercon’s, Dexron 6, synthetics, etc were as bad or worse then the old fashioned Dexron. Please remember the ONLY thing we are testing for (or care about for this application) is break away torque capacity. In the automotive world there are many more and relevant factors. We are now using a new material in our dry sump models. Using the baseline above it is about 114% with the Type F. It also recovers better after a momentary slip. And the Amsoil is within 1-2% of the type F, so I think it will be OK with the new material. |
Originally Posted by Mbam
(Post 2879906)
Let me pitch in on the fluid question.
We recently did extensive testing of fluids and friction materials. The results surprised me. We always knew Type F was good, but did not have hard numbers. I’m at home and the actual resulta are at work, and anyone that knows me can tell you my memory is shot, so don’t shoot me if I am off a few points. With the friction material commonly used to-date ( a graphitic paper) the order of preference and performance is: Type F or FA 100% (no difference between the Valvoline & Castrol in this test) Amsoil Supershift 94% Dexron 85% All the other Mercon’s, Dexron 6, synthetics, etc were as bad or worse then the old fashioned Dexron. Please remember the ONLY thing we are testing for (or care about for this application) is break away torque capacity. In the automotive world there are many more and relevant factors. We are now using a new material in our dry sump models. Using the baseline above it is about 114% with the Type F. It also recovers better after a momentary slip. And the Amsoil is within 1-2% of the type F, so I think it will be OK with the new material. Hey Mark, thanks for the info. Have you done (or will be doing) any testing to see which stands up to the most heat? |
Saxman, we could but there is no reason to. In the marine application there is not any significant heat until something else has already gone wrong.
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Hey Eddie,
We have also improved the reverse. Conventional wisdom was that an extra reverser plate would cause more drag (lose more power in the trans). We found that the difference with a 3rd plate was negligible. So we have been using 3 reverse plates in all our units for a while. Still can’t take full throttle in reverse, but that’s 50% better than it was. Also using better steel for the core of the reverse frictions, the new ones don’t explode as easily. |
Originally Posted by Mbam
(Post 2880265)
Saxman, we could but there is no reason to. In the marine application there is not any significant heat until something else has already gone wrong.
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We do not run a check valve for any reason, using it voids our warranty.
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Originally Posted by Mbam
(Post 2880334)
We do not run a check valve for any reason, using it voids our warranty.
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Originally Posted by Mbam
(Post 2880268)
Hey Eddie,
We have also improved the reverse. Conventional wisdom was that an extra reverser plate would cause more drag (lose more power in the trans). We found that the difference with a 3rd plate was negligible. So we have been using 3 reverse plates in all our units for a while. Still can’t take full throttle in reverse, but that’s 50% better than it was. Also using better steel for the core of the reverse frictions, the new ones don’t explode as easily. |
Originally Posted by Young Performance
(Post 2880469)
Thanks Marc. We talked about it when I ordered the last two trannys from you. They have the extra reverse clutch, which is great since this is the same customer that fried the other one in reverse. Every little bit helps. You taught me a very valuable lesson on the coolers that I will not forget. I would have bet the farm that you were full of crap:drink: Live and learn, huh. Talk to you soon, Eddie.
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Originally Posted by jeff1000man
(Post 2878507)
I have always had the theory that while the coolers and water are warm, chunks get into places and when you let it cool back off they stay in there. When you are trying to clean out the parts, you are cool, so the copper doesn't expand. When you put it back into the boat, it gets warm, and presto, the 1 little chunk you missed ends up getting circulated.
I always thought an interesting experiment would be to clean it normally, and then drop it into a giant pot of boiling water and somehow flush it to see if anything extra comes out. |
Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 2881092)
Your theory is correct,coolers can be flushed professionally,it's done at 180-190 degrees,air is pulsated in the cooler along with the cleaning medium then it's also done in a reverse direction,Smitty
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