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RunninHotRacing163.1 06-01-2009 12:23 PM

Huber Transmisions ?????
 
What fluid is everyone runnin & havin good luck with ???? Was told to run only Ford/Motorcraft type F and SMOKED another trans yesterday so that makes 2 in 7 days and they were fresh and we have 1 hour on the hour meters for this year .Have heard the name VALVOLINE type F any luck ????? thanks in advance :drink:

DareDevil 06-01-2009 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2877550)
What fluid is everyone runnin & havin good luck with ???? Was told to run only Ford/Motorcraft type F and SMOKED another trans yesterday so that makes 2 in 7 days and they were fresh and we have 1 hour on the hour meters for this year .Have heard the name VALVOLINE type F any luck ????? thanks in advance :drink:

Bill, i heard that Valvoline is pretty good . I just run reg ATF in mine ,,but what do i know ?! LOL

Coolerman 06-01-2009 01:42 PM

hey Bill, make sure its the valvoline type 'FA'.

jeff1000man 06-01-2009 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2877550)
What fluid is everyone runnin & havin good luck with ???? Was told to run only Ford/Motorcraft type F and SMOKED another trans yesterday so that makes 2 in 7 days and they were fresh and we have 1 hour on the hour meters for this year .Have heard the name VALVOLINE type F any luck ????? thanks in advance :drink:

I always used type F and never had problems, but then again. I wasn't mashing near as hard as you are now. What did Earl tell you to use????

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-01-2009 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by saxman (Post 2877625)
hey Bill, make sure its the valvoline type 'FA'.

Thanks Bro :drink:,been on the phone this morn with Earl and he's gettin ready to open up the trashed 1 from last sunday and just loaded another 1 be there tomorrow .:coolcowboy: He still sayz the Ford type F is the Chit :eek::drink:

jeff1000man 06-01-2009 02:14 PM

Maybe you need to have him make them stronger. :coolcowboy:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-01-2009 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2877656)
I always used type F and never had problems, but then again. I wasn't mashing near as hard as you are now. What did Earl tell you to use????

mashing near as hard as you are now:eek:

after the one i smoked last Sunday 15 minutes off the trailer ,we were takin it easy and walkin her up 500 rpm at a time ... just cruisin along at 5600 and she slipped & hit the limiter at 7K and that great smell of smoked clutches & baked trans fluid.:eek:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-01-2009 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2877660)
Maybe you need to have him make them stronger. :coolcowboy:

we'll see what he sayz in a few hours after he checks it out ..:drink:

jeff1000man 06-01-2009 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2877668)
mashing near as hard as you are now:eek:

after the one i smoked last Sunday 15 minutes off the trailer ,we were takin it easy and walkin her up 500 rpm at a time ... just cruisin along at 5600 and she slipped & hit the limiter at 7K and that great smell of smoked clutches & baked trans fluid.:eek:

That is a lot of load on a trans. Earl is going to have his work cut out for him now.

Why not shiftable crash boxes? Didn't I read about those some where?

MILD THUNDER 06-01-2009 02:40 PM

Sounds like something else is going on Bill. Too many guys I know have been smoking hubers lately. Whether behind a 600HP mill or 1300HP mill.

Did you lose fluid at all? Some guys have been blowing front pump seals.

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-01-2009 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2877690)
That is a lot of load on a trans. Earl is going to have his work cut out for him now.

Why not shiftable crash boxes? Didn't I read about those some where?

Alot of load ???????????? C'mon BIG Daddy theres a ZILLION of them Tommie Hubers out there ...... Earl sayz good for 1500 ponies 1000/1200 rpm in gear
may have to look for another spare and take it apart and have some spare clutch packs .:lolhit: my 16 year old is gettin good at pullin them out ..timed him yesterday its a 3 beer job or 20 mins and its out on the dock & cooler washed & blowed out :eek:

Biggus 06-01-2009 02:46 PM

-Been running Type F for years. Never a problem related to the fluid.

Kurt

Young Performance 06-01-2009 02:48 PM

Bill,
Did you change the cooler after you broke the first one. If not, that is probably the cause of the second failure. DO NOT put a new trans in without throwing the cooler in the trash. You can not, repeat, can not clean them. You will never get the trash out of the cooler. Ask me how I know:drink:
Eddie

jeff1000man 06-01-2009 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2877704)
Alot of load ???????????? C'mon BIG Daddy theres a ZILLION of them Tommie Hubers out there ...... Earl sayz good for 1500 ponies 100/1200 rpm in gear
may have to look for another spare and take it apart and have some spare clutch packs .:lolhit: my 16 year old is gettin good at pullin them out ..timed him yesterday its a 3 beer job or 20 mins and its out on the dock & cooler washed & blowed out :eek:

I have a bunch of 72C trannies if you need some cores. They are still stock and functional. They are up at Texoma Marine gear. I think I might be going to see LEON next week if you want me to pick them up? OH wait, are yours drivelines? I only have one of those.

PM me if you want them.

Dueclaws 06-01-2009 02:48 PM

Bill-
I had the same issue, but discovered the problem was caused by an elusive air pocket in the trans cooler system: after that was corrected never had another problem.

Eddie is probably on target.
John

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-01-2009 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Dueclaws (Post 2877713)
Bill-
I had the same issue, but discovered the problem was caused by an elusive air pocket in the trans cooler system: after that was corrected never had another problem.

Eddie is probably on target.
John

Air pocket ???????????????????:eek: WTF
give me a call Jon :drink:








Eddie left you a message BIG Daddy :coolcowboy:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-01-2009 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 2877710)
Bill,
Did you change the cooler after you broke the first one. If not, that is probably the cause of the second failure. DO NOT put a new trans in without throwing the cooler in the trash. You can not, repeat, can not clean them. You will never get the trash out of the cooler. Ask me how I know:drink:
Eddie

Thanks for the help BIG Daddy :coolcowboy:I think your Dead on on this , we washed & rinsed but im sure its JUNK !!! 2 coolers ordered and they'll be here Wednesday ...:drink:

07DominatorSS 06-01-2009 04:53 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2877550)
What fluid is everyone runnin & havin good luck with ???? Was told to run only Ford/Motorcraft type F and SMOKED another trans yesterday so that makes 2 in 7 days and they were fresh and we have 1 hour on the hour meters for this year .Have heard the name VALVOLINE type F any luck ????? thanks in advance :drink:

I would use the AMSOIL Super Shift. Its Ford Type F direct replacement.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/art.aspx

Young Performance 06-01-2009 04:53 PM

It was good talking to you. Hope that fixes it. Glad I could help. Good luck. Talk to ya soon, Eddie.

Coolerman 06-02-2009 12:50 AM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 2877710)
Bill,
Did you change the cooler after you broke the first one. If not, that is probably the cause of the second failure. DO NOT put a new trans in without throwing the cooler in the trash. You can not, repeat, can not clean them. You will never get the trash out of the cooler. Ask me how I know:drink:
Eddie

So, how do you know? :drink:

Young Performance 06-02-2009 01:35 AM

Had to learn it the hard way. We were at Smoke on the Water in MI with the Nashville Catz 43 Nortech a few years ago. We broke a tranny trying to get the boat off the trailer(the ramp wasn't deep enough and the tranny's only have 2 cluthes for reverse) We had a spare with us, so I cleaned the cooler and put in the new tranny. We idled out about 10-15 min and got it up on plane. We almost made it a mile before the tranny cut loose. I didn't have another tranny so I found Mike Fiore and bought one from the Outerlimits big rig. I took the cooler in there and washed it out in the parts washer for about an hour. We then ran 10 cans of brake cleaner through it and blew it out thoroughly with compressed air. I was absolutely sure that it was as clean as it could get. I got it together about 3 am and we went out in the morning for the run. This time we made it almost 3 miles. I was so mad at Bam thinking something was wrong with two of the trannys. I called Mark at Bam and the first thing he asked was if I changed the cooler. It didn't really hit me until he asked me that if a customer brings me an engine that is blown up if I reuse the oil cooler. Of course I said no. I still thought he was full of $hit. So I changed the cooler to appease him and put in yet another tranny and that was that. He hit the nail on the head. We ran 5 more runs until the accident at Texoma without any more problems. So I can't take the credit for it....it was all Mark at Bam. It was a very expensive lesson, but one I will never forget.
Eddie

MILD THUNDER 06-02-2009 07:16 AM

If the coolers should be replaced, how about the lines going to the coolers???

Last year I smoked a huber. Clutch pack got fried. Lost fluid thru trs tailstock plug. Flushed my lines and cooler, had my buddy replace the clutch pack and seals, trans been great ever since. Maybe I got lucky.

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-02-2009 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 2878227)
Had to learn it the hard way. We were at Smoke on the Water in MI with the Nashville Catz 43 Nortech a few years ago. We broke a tranny trying to get the boat off the trailer(the ramp wasn't deep enough and the tranny's only have 2 cluthes for reverse) We had a spare with us, so I cleaned the cooler and put in the new tranny. We idled out about 10-15 min and got it up on plane. We almost made it a mile before the tranny cut loose. I didn't have another tranny so I found Mike Fiore and bought one from the Outerlimits big rig. I took the cooler in there and washed it out in the parts washer for about an hour. We then ran 10 cans of brake cleaner through it and blew it out thoroughly with compressed air. I was absolutely sure that it was as clean as it could get. I got it together about 3 am and we went out in the morning for the run. This time we made it almost 3 miles. I was so mad at Bam thinking something was wrong with two of the trannys. I called Mark at Bam and the first thing he asked was if I changed the cooler. It didn't really hit me until he asked me that if a customer brings me an engine that is blown up if I reuse the oil cooler. Of course I said no. I still thought he was full of $hit. So I changed the cooler to appease him and put in yet another tranny and that was that. He hit the nail on the head. We ran 5 more runs until the accident at Texoma without any more problems. So I can't take the credit for it....it was all Mark at Bam. It was a very expensive lesson, but one I will never forget.
Eddie

OUCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek: good thing we only had 1 spare tranny or we would have torched a third im sure ...:coolcowboy:

Eddie what fluid ya'll runnin now ???:drink:

kvogt 06-02-2009 07:57 AM

I don't run near as much power as you but I have good luck with Amsoil super shift racing transmission fluid.

Also If you are running the 7 plate cooler on the bell housing, The hose from the top of the tranny goes to the bottom of the cooler and the other hose goes from the top side of the cooler to bottom of the tranny.

Kris Vogt

cigrocket 06-02-2009 08:23 AM

I would use the AMSOIL Super Shift. Its Ford Type F direct replacement.

That is what Earl and Kendall from Texoma Marine Gear Always Recommended.

Young Performance 06-02-2009 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2878330)
Eddie what fluid ya'll runnin now ???:drink:

Whatever the Mapco gas station has that day:drink:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-02-2009 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 2877700)
Sounds like something else is going on Bill. Too many guys I know have been smoking hubers lately. Whether behind a 600HP mill or 1300HP mill.

Did you lose fluid at all? Some guys have been blowing front pump seals.

No front seals blown ,was kickin fluid out the vent ..... I'm thinkin Eddie is dead ballz on with the cooler idear:coolcowboy: we torched a trans last year in some 5 footers in lake michigan and i never changed the cooler just cleaned it out so im thinkin with 180 lbs of pressure she's cleaning it out real good and runnin the crap back thru the pump ... will keep a spare trans & cooler in the truck :drink:
Mr Cool @ 866-726-COOL gave me a smokin deal on the coolers and should be here today:bigbird:

jeff1000man 06-02-2009 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2878463)
No front seals blown ,was kickin fluid out the vent ..... I'm thinkin Eddie is dead ballz on with the cooler idear:coolcowboy: we torched a trans last year in some 5 footers in lake michigan and i never changed the cooler just cleaned it out so im thinkin with 180 lbs of pressure she's cleaning it out real good and runnin the crap back thru the pump ... will keep a spare trans & cooler in the truck :drink:
Mr Cool @ 866-726-COOL gave me a smokin deal on the coolers and should be here today:bigbird:

I have always had the theory that while the coolers and water are warm, chunks get into places and when you let it cool back off they stay in there. When you are trying to clean out the parts, you are cool, so the copper doesn't expand. When you put it back into the boat, it gets warm, and presto, the 1 little chunk you missed ends up getting circulated.

I always thought an interesting experiment would be to clean it normally, and then drop it into a giant pot of boiling water and somehow flush it to see if anything extra comes out.

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-02-2009 11:07 AM

Just to Clarify this thread was started as a question as to what fluid everyone is running Valvoline??/ Ford type F ??? and about the foaming oil ??? Was NOT A SLAM AT EARL @ Huber by no means :eek: So whoever the Phuch called Earl and told him i"m slammin him on OSO u need to pick up the phone BIG Daddy and fill me in ,or explain it to me at the next boating event over a cocktail what you read that i did'nt ...Earl is doing the cruise to get me back together and i'm confident they will handle some power ...:coolcowboy::angry-smiley-038:
ring ring im waiting 815-693-3031 Dont make me wait tooo long :drink:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-02-2009 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2878507)
I have always had the theory that while the coolers and water are warm, chunks get into places and when you let it cool back off they stay in there. When you are trying to clean out the parts, you are cool, so the copper doesn't expand. When you put it back into the boat, it gets warm, and presto, the 1 little chunk you missed ends up getting circulated.

I always thought an interesting experiment would be to clean it normally, and then drop it into a giant pot of boiling water and somehow flush it to see if anything extra comes out.

I'm with ya on that Jeff but its cheap insurance to just toss the Cooler and start fresh ,Earl just explained the filter cannot catch everything so a spare cooler in the truck just incase and its a done deal ... Talked to guys on the phone yesterday with BIG power and Hubers and beating the snot out of them and there havin awesome luck .. :drink: Looks like i have the same Lucky horseshoe Gino has :lolhit:

jeff1000man 06-02-2009 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2878532)
Just to Clarify this thread was started as a question as to what fluid everyone is running Valvoline??/ Ford type F ??? and about the foaming oil ??? Was NOT A SLAM AT EARL @ Huber by no means :eek: So whoever the Phuch called Earl and told him i"m slammin him on OSO u need to pick up the phone BIG Daddy and fill me in ,or explain it to me at the next boating event over a cocktail what you read that i did'nt ...Earl is doing the cruise to get me back together and i'm confident they will handle some power ...:coolcowboy::angry-smiley-038:
ring ring im waiting 815-693-3031 Dont make me wait tooo long :drink:

Uh Oh. Don't mess with big daddy.

ZXXX Donzi 06-02-2009 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 2877710)
Bill,
Did you change the cooler after you broke the first one. If not, that is probably the cause of the second failure. DO NOT put a new trans in without throwing the cooler in the trash. You can not, repeat, can not clean them. You will never get the trash out of the cooler. Ask me how I know:drink:
Eddie

Speaking of new coolers, my new cooler for the Donzi came in.

DareDevil 06-02-2009 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2878540)
Uh Oh. Don't mess with big daddy.

Jeff,,,,how can u do that ??!! LOL









just kidding,,but who ever did this ,,,thats bad ,,:angry-smiley-038:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-02-2009 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by daredevil (Post 2878613)
Jeff,,,,how can u do that ??!! LOL









just kidding,,but who ever did this ,,,thats bad ,,:angry-smiley-038:

Badd ????? phuchin B/S i say :bsflag:

This boating is really starting to SUK!
I think somewhere theres a ALLISON with a 225 and my name on it :drink:

jeff1000man 06-02-2009 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2878640)
Badd ????? phuchin B/S i say :bsflag:

This boating is really starting to SUK!
I think somewhere theres a ALLISON with a 225 and my name on it :drink:

Did you say Allison??

This will cheer you up. :coolcowboy:

DareDevil 06-02-2009 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2878646)
Did you say Allison??

This will cheer you up. :coolcowboy:

GOT MILK ??????????:hitit:

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-02-2009 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2878646)
Did you say Allison??

This will cheer you up. :coolcowboy:

OH YEAH 2 more Vicodins and a Grey G@@se chaser :eek:
and i'll take 3 sets of those B@@bs and be needing a brown bag for her though:lolhit:

jeff1000man 06-02-2009 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by RunninHotRacing158 (Post 2878658)
OH YEAH 2 more Vicodins and a Grey G@@se chaser :eek:
and i'll take 3 sets of those B@@bs and be needing a brown bag for her though:lolhit:

I was wondering this morning what ever happened to the pit stop??

Did it catch on fire from someone smoking grass in the broom closet or what??

RunninHotRacing163.1 06-02-2009 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by jeff1000man (Post 2878663)
I was wondering this morning what ever happened to the pit stop??

Did it catch on fire from someone smoking grass in the broom closet or what??

Did it catch on fire from someone smoking grass in the broom closet or what??

I heard it was a guy by the name of GRASSDAVE!!!!!:eek:not one to spread rumors thou:lolhit:

Coolerman 06-02-2009 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Young Performance (Post 2878227)
Had to learn it the hard way. We were at Smoke on the Water in MI with the Nashville Catz 43 Nortech a few years ago. We broke a tranny trying to get the boat off the trailer(the ramp wasn't deep enough and the tranny's only have 2 cluthes for reverse) We had a spare with us, so I cleaned the cooler and put in the new tranny. We idled out about 10-15 min and got it up on plane. We almost made it a mile before the tranny cut loose. I didn't have another tranny so I found Mike Fiore and bought one from the Outerlimits big rig. I took the cooler in there and washed it out in the parts washer for about an hour. We then ran 10 cans of brake cleaner through it and blew it out thoroughly with compressed air. I was absolutely sure that it was as clean as it could get. I got it together about 3 am and we went out in the morning for the run. This time we made it almost 3 miles. I was so mad at Bam thinking something was wrong with two of the trannys. I called Mark at Bam and the first thing he asked was if I changed the cooler. It didn't really hit me until he asked me that if a customer brings me an engine that is blown up if I reuse the oil cooler. Of course I said no. I still thought he was full of $hit. So I changed the cooler to appease him and put in yet another tranny and that was that. He hit the nail on the head. We ran 5 more runs until the accident at Texoma without any more problems. So I can't take the credit for it....it was all Mark at Bam. It was a very expensive lesson, but one I will never forget.
Eddie


Haha, I was just busting your ballz Eddie :drink: , but damn, What a lesson on that. Thanks for the tip on the oil cooler deal.


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