Builder for a new set of spare engines
 

We are shopping for a builder to build a new set of blower engines. The specs. will include 5 stage, dry sump 10.2 cast iron dart,(4.375 x 4.50 bore) champion ported 360 race heads, roller hydraulic cams, 1471 non-inter-cooled.

Paint, wiring and finish will be approaching perfection.

The builder will quote machining and completion as a line item. With the exception of sundry parts, parts will be customer furnished.

Payment will be made upon completion and gauranteed by a specific bank letter of credit.

Call Schumaker Performance. He is out of Indiana and did mine and does a lot of big power blower motors. 317-862-3919 Ask for Bill. You will not be disapointed.

Interesting post.

Im highly surprised that owning the boat you do you dont already have a pet mechanic/shop in mind. Maybe your current guy failed you.

Sounds like you have a bunch of great parts lying around.

Is a builder supposed to give guarantees on parts they don't supply?

Respectfully curious, I know, can vouch for, and own product built from a few guys that can build stuff from what you throw at them, but arent sure how they would approach this kind of offer.

UD

I would be glad to quote the engine for you. I think you will find that my finish work, as well as the assembly itself, is up to your standards. Either give me a call or send me an email with an exact parts list that will need to be supplied, as well as the parts that you already have. I can be reached at 615-216-7449 or [email protected].
Thanks, Eddie.

There you go......


UD

CcanDo, I have a set of 572, NO import cheap parts.
4.5 stroke, 4.5 bore
Just installed .903 lifter bushings.
New parts.
Looking to sell as short blocks or complete for someone.

Cat,
PM me and I will tell you about my experience. You can manage the design and parts and still get his coaching based on his extensive marine experience. Throw in perfect machining, fit and finish....at a reasonable price. How about total dedication on your project until complete? You will can also have daily conversations with on-going e-mail photo updates on every step of the process. If Hendrick Motor Sports had marine experience, I wouldn't switch if they were half the price.
Ben

Guys, your opinions and insight relative to the subject will make a major influence in who is considered for this job. Therefore, your comments are held in esteem and valued as coming from a fraternity member.

I've been lucky to have usually associated myself with people that sincerely make an effort to contribute to society. For example, I've seen Eddie and Mer offer their knowledge to people that will probably never be in position to return the favor. Those actions impress me....I'm one that believes the definition of business is communications, not talking or writing but DOING and how it's done.

Yes, Eddie is in the running, Mer seems to be a great guy that I would like to watch further.

Presently, we will be building two engines. Long term, we here, have an established reputation in a somewhat captive niche market that may require a greater quantity. Therefore, the mission is not only short term, but, long term as well.

Here's a news flash, Joey Impesscia called a few minutes ago, reporting a 32 SKATER ran 172.3 MPH, today.

Check into Joey Griffin in Washington, North Carolina. You won't find him online, but he's got a very well deserved reputation for building big power that holds together - at least a few in winning offshore boats. He and his crew do some of the best machine work I've ever seen. They also do top notch paint work and full restos, etc... Though i can't personally vouch for the guys above, I'm sure they do great work as well, but if you're looking for the best, Joey belongs on the list.

I would not hesitate on having Young Performance build an engine for me.

I've got a fresh set of Eddie's engines this year and I am VERY happy with them.

Eddie gets my vote. Great guy who takes the time to handle even folks who aren't spending 50,000
Justin

Dbk, Uncle D, Justin....Thanks guys for the vote of confidence.
Griff, that really means a lot coming from someone with your experience and knowledge
Mike, glad you're happy. Should have sold you a new coil wire too:lolhit:

CcanDo, I look forward to hearing from you.
Thanks, Eddie.

Same here. Eddie spent more time with me on the phone (first call) than all the other people I called combined.

Shane

Check out JCperformance. He's built the motors for lucas oil, the 41 outerlimits race team, the motors in bad, talkin' trash (172.3mph 32 skater), Speed Racer (42MTI) , etc etc... . He just built my motor, everything came out perfect. Delievered exactly what he promised at a LOCKED IN fee. Easy to deal with, fast on rebuild. He has a fantastic reputation and a great guy. Give him a call, Jeff Crooper 516-216-0778. You wont be disappointed. Tell him Jason Bernstein sent ya:evilb:

Give me a call

[QUOTE=Uncle Dave;2961046]Interesting post.

Im highly surprised that owning the boat you do you dont already have a pet mechanic/shop in mind. Maybe your current guy failed you.

Sounds like you have a bunch of great parts lying around.





Kinda like bringing your own EGGs to the restaurant in the morn ha ??:eek:




Theres always BIG Leon Dereberry in your own backyard:drink:
Oh crap i just remembered your last ordeal there :party-smiley-004:


Party On Garth

spill it big daddy

mrfixxall
 

Go with eddie @ young performance,he did a webb friends motor in his donzi 26zx and he can brake 102mph with no problem and hasnt had a lick of problems .......

Who has the best, latest and greatest, CNC short block machining equipment, complete with proficient machinist?

mrfixxall
 

why would you want a cnc machined short block, a cnc is only as good as the person setting it up..chc cant tell if it has a bad ston or a bad carbide cutter..i would rather have a proficient machinist with the skill's and machines he is use to doing the machine work..believe me I've seen more mistakes with cnc machining centers on products then a one man milling machine where he can control what he is doing and not a computer.

What mistakes happen on CNC that wouldn't happen on manual feed, if both operators are proficent with their equipment ?

mrfixxall
 

A cnc is designed to set up and walk away and let the machine do its work with nobody most of the time watching it..
What happens if the block shifts? and nobody is their watching it? i would rather have someone watching my parts being machined and being measured by hand instead a computer guessing what the measurements would be if the block isn't chalked square..believe me the machine would be going about its business even if its off by a tho or two or more..

i guess im old school,if you want it done rite you gotta do it yourself:)

look for getrdunn's post on the dart pro 1 cnc heads he bought,they were cnc'ed and one wouldnt fit over the studs..

No argument, then, we have seen a "group" use their personal measuring tools, all getting different numbers.

Modern, updated equipment is a big commitment.

Cat,
I think you can custom order blocks from Dart where they will CNC machine the cam, lifter & cylinder bores to your specs. Your engine builder will still do the final clean-up/finish/hone/fit/wash, etc. Is this what you are thinking?
Ben

Ben, Perhaps as you already know, I spoke w/ MR and was highly impressed.

Just tying up some loose ends.....Should be ready to do something next week.....Meanwhile, something reminded me to ask here about equipment.

In fact, is there anything you need to check on in west Texas , next wk. ?

This next week is not good as I will be in OH Tues-Fri. I could probably be able to head West sometime 10/20-22.

That might work, lets play it by ear.

Also if that shop hasn't done the same block before,he would have to write a program to do it. Ive been in a few shops,and gone behind some of them and found stuff before:(Ya pay for a pro and have to go behind them.There a lot of them out there that talk a good game. Go with someone that has a good reputation,and a reputation to loose.

Is the 2010 EPA legislation a consideration on this build design?

Are carillo rods with pin oiler tubes and best bolts the way to go ? A set is just under $500/rod.

Dean Gellner engineering 216 398 8500 he has built engines for race teams that race in opa, has been in power boat, outerlimits. has a lot of talent. he is in ohio if that helps. I use him AND I AM IN MASS. ART

We have been using the Oliver rods since 2001-02. The last two sets had 2.10 journals, pin oilers and SPS rod bolts....never any issues. SPS is a good/best (?) bolt, but it is pricey partially because it is because it is exclusively marketed thru Carillo...who is also proud of this bolt. If Oliver wants SPS rod bolts, they buy them from Carillo. In talking to SPS a few years ago, they have elected to not make rods bolts for any other customers. During my research, we found that SPS is a division within a multi-national US company and that its primary market is certified aircraft bolts.
Cat, this is a good project for you. Does anybody :bsflag: know if the Carillo rod is actually any better than any of the other top brands? Do the top teams in NASCAR Cup know what rod is best? They are likely the only ones with the budget to do much testing. I do know that many of the teams are down to the 1.88 or 2.00 journal. How long do they last? I'm sure they change them frequently.
We ended up deciding it was marketing BS, with numerous good products available...like custom pistons.

I think that would be a import price,the real Carillos are 1100-1200 engine builder price,

Weve bought a lot of Crower rods,4340 is around 1000.I beleave they got into the import rob for price, then have the high end usa

Strip, That's what I thought, Carillo, C- 42 > H - 76635 S -00, $405.25 Ea., Builder Price. -- 6 Wks. lead time , over $500 Reatail.....Check it out.

E-
I've been using Oliver's billet rod with the SPS bolts and have never had any issues.

Ben, Due, do you use one or two pin oiler holes in the Olivers ?

Mike knows....

I believe if you don't overtorque the SPS they last a long time and you need to look at stretch to determine when the time has come to replace?

I have used Olivers for as long as I can remember. In the bigger hp engines, I use the CARR bolts. The only failure I have ever had was a long time ago in a race boat with a blown alcohol engine making 2000+ hp and turning over 8000 rpm.
Eddie